Re: Screenshot!

From	"David B." <"David B."@invalid.org>
Newsgroups	alt.computer.workshop, uk.comp.sys.mac
Subject	Re: Screenshot!
Date	2026-05-27 13:18 +0100
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On 27/05/2026 08:26, Brock McNuggets wrote:
> On May 27, 2026 at 12:01:36 AM MST, ""David B."" wrote
> <n7nj6gF63u8U1@mid.individual.net>:
> 
>> On 27/05/2026 07:53, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>> David B. <"David B."@invalid.org> wrote:
>>>> On 27/05/2026 00:22, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>> On May 26, 2026 at 3:27:06 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>> <n7ml1qF1qbmU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26/05/2026 23:08, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 26, 2026 at 3:01:33 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>>>> <n7mjhtF1ib4U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/05/2026 20:55, Brock McNuggets wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2026 at 12:09:09 PM MST, ""David B."" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <n7m9emF1coU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've put my money where my mouth is and have purchased EtreCheck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You, though, are afraid to run it on your computer(s)!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is a fiction you made up. I do not currently have it. I do not care about
>>>>>>>>> it. I am not concerned about it. There are many, many software packages I do
>>>>>>>>> not run -- not based on fear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You HAVE run it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As we have discussed multiple times.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed.
>>>>>>>> Are there copies of past reports lingering in your
>>>>>>>> Library?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you know WHERE to look?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HAVE you looked?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please advise.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe I deleted them since the last time we discussed this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Were you not surprised to find them there?!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not know they were there but it was not really surprising or concerning
>>>>> in any way.
>>>>
>>>> *I'm shocked*!
>>>>
>>>> It is absolutely fascinating to watch you hand-wave away a complete lack
>>>> of basic macOS file-system awareness as "not surprising or concerning."
>>>>
>>>> For someone who frequently pontificates on these groups about how things
>>>> "should" work on the Mac platform, admitting that you blindly run
>>>> software without having the foggiest notion of what it leaves behind in
>>>> your ~/Library/Application Support/ or ~/Library/Caches/ directories is
>>>> quite the self-own.
>>>>
>>>> If you "did not know they were there" until it was pointed out to you,
>>>> it proves you weren't looking, didn't know where to look, and lacked the
>>>> curiosity to check.
>>>>
>>>> For an ordinary end-user? Perfectly fine. For someone masquerading as a
>>>> technical authority on a computer workshop group? It’s a bit of an
>>>> embarrassment, Brock.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Your AI had a stroke. 🤣
>>
>>
>> Translation: "I have absolutely no technical defense for getting caught
>> completely clueless about my own Mac's file system, so I'll try a weak
>> deflection instead."
>>
>> Notice how you completely failed to address the actual point, Brock?
> 
> Because you have no point. None. You have paranoia and ignorance.
> 
> MacOS apps generally do not have installers. You delete them by dragging them
> to the Trash. Period. They leave behind things in the Library. BY DESIGN. This
> is not a concern. Users have no need or obligation to dig through those files.
> They are not meant for general user viewing. This is true of EtreCheck and
> most apps on macOS.
> 
> You think you have some big "gotcha" on EtreCheck because it is doing what is
> NORMAL on macOS. What is expected. What is fine.
> 
>> You
>> admitted you didn't know those files were lingering in your Library.
> 
> Right. No need to. Same with what files Usenapp leaves, or Pages, or any other
> app. I know the standards -- or some of them -- like Preferences (.plist) and
> the like, but there is no need or requirement to look at those files in most
> cases. None.
> 
> You are making a complete and utter fool of yourself, David. I am embarrassed
> for you.
> 
>> You
>> admitted you didn't look.
> 
> Your acting like this is some "gotcha" shows how useless your years of
> "investigation" are. You are completely clueless of how things are supposed to
> work, yet you pretend you have some special skill to find when they are not.
> 
> No.
> 
> You are making an ass of yourself with your nonstop focus and attacks on
> EtreCheck and its developer.
> 
>> And in your other concurrent post, you
>> explicitly argued that apps leaving background junk behind should have
>> uninstallers.
> 
> No. I did not. Not even close. Again: you say things without having a clue of
> what is being said. You do not understand how a .plist file is different from
> a daemon. I am not saying on some deep technical level, but even on a basic
> common user level you have not a single clue.


Fascinating backpedaling, Brock. Let's look at your exact words from 
your concurrent post in the other thread today:

"Where it would matter to have an uninstaller is if files are saved in 
nonstandard places... Some apps install background processes or helpers 
and those are not removed by deleting the app -- so it matters even more 
there."

EtreCheck installs launch daemons/agents (com.etresoft.*) to monitor 
storage and run background tasks. Therefore, by your own explicit 
definition, it is an app where "it matters even more" to have an 
uninstaller because dragging it to the Trash leaves background processes 
running.

Yet here you are, furiously typing out a wall of text claiming that 
dragging it to the Trash is "BY DESIGN" and "fine," while pretending you 
never said what you just said.

As for your amateur psychology and patronizing "concern" about my 
health—that is the oldest, most transparent white flag on Usenet. When 
you lose the technical argument, you pivot to playing the fake-worried 
doctor.

Stick to the file system, Brock. Your memory for your own posts is 
failing you, your logic is in tatters, and your own quotes are right 
there in the message headers for everyone to see.

>> The prose isn't having a stroke—it's just exposing your massive logical
>> hypocrisy, and it clearly hit a nerve.
> 
> The fact you are attacking me based on your ignorance and paranoia is
> offensive.

I'm sorry.

>> To borrow a phrase from your own signature: You cannot use reason to
>> show the message to be wrong, so you try to feel somehow superior by
>> attacking the messenger.
> 
> You are the one attacking based on your own ignorance and paranoia.

I'm not "attacking" at all.

>> Care to try again and actually talk about the macOS file system this
>> time, or are you completely out of your depth?
> 
> I have. Repeatedly. In most cases to install an app on macOS just download,
> open the .dmg (or other package), and drag to Applications (in most cases you
> do not even need to do that, but it is advised -- especially if it is in a
> disk image). To uninstall an app, make sure it is not running and drag it to
> the Trash (Bin).
> 
> BY DESIGN files will be left behind in the ~/Library. BY DESIGN. And in most
> cases there is NO need for any user to look at those files (though for
> troubleshooting it is sometimes needed). Common places to find those files:
> 
> ~/Library/Application Support
> ~/Library/Preferences
> ~/Library/Caches
> ~/Library/Logs
> 
> There is no gotcha here. There is no big secret. There is nothing hard to
> understand, There is nothing uncommon you have shown EtreCheck to be doing --
> other than perhaps the logs being saved but as I showed he has been open with
> that for many years. He uses a Zip, I think, and not a DMG. I am not sure why,
> but my guess would be so you can run it from your Downloads folder more
> easily.

Where did YOU run it from? I found the Zip file in my Trash/Bin!
> This has been covered. I have told you. Others have told you. But when you
> find out that THINGS ARE WORKING AS THEY SHOULD you fabricate delusions
> babbling nonsense about some error someone else made. Nope. YOU are the one
> making the errors here. You are making a complete and total ass of yourself.
> You are showing yourself to be ignorant and paranoid.
> 
> With all that said, I like you. I care about you. :-D

> This seems to be getting
> worse for you. Please talk to your doctor or someone else who can help you
> directly. You are not well, my friend.

I've never been better, thanks.

-- 
Kind regards,
David

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