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Re: Virtual Acorn and UAC

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jgh@mdfs.net wrote:
> Vince M Hudd wrote:

[using another location instead of C:\Program Files]
 
> > s/MS requirement/improved security/
 
> C:\Apps still has 'world read'+'system read/write', 

Okay, so you've set the permissions more sensibly - I'd contend that most
typical users wouldn't, however.

(Does that not still cause VRPC/UAC issues, though? The reason the "new
version" of VRPC defaults to installing the emulator somewhere else is to
sidestep the issue, as has already been discussed.)

> it's just set up to avoid Microsoft's enthusiasm for destroying the
> concept of hierarchial data storage.

This strikes me as a completely nonsensical reason. If you don't like the
way things are arranged in Program Files, and you are capable of moving
things to a folder called Apps, you are just as capable of rearranging them
within Program Files.

Changing the location of the top level directory doesn't change how things
are placed within it - in either case, it is down to you and/or the
installers for the programs. (A good one will allow you to override the
defaults - and those defaults are defined by whoever is responsible for the
software you are installing).

It strikes me your choice is more a case of thumbing your nose at Microsoft
"just because". (Nothing wrong with that, of course - I'd be a hypocrite to
suggest otherwise.)

> For instance, the preponderance, encouraged my MS, for most users to dump
> *everything* in 'Desktop'

In what way has Microsoft ever encouraged that? (Stupidly) making it a
little too easy is a vastly different thing to encouraging it.

> and *everything* in Start-> Programs.

For as long as I've been using a Start Menu - i.e. since it first appeared -
mine has had things arranged on it in a sensible hierarchy (and very little
on the 'Desktop') - although since Windows 8, I've begrudgingly learned to
live without it.

As with installers having a default path within Program Files, they usually
have a default path on the Start Menu. If a crap installer doesn't let you
choose where the shortcut should appear, how is that MS's fault, given that
the installer *could* very easily have been written to provide that choice?

I've used plenty of installers over the years (obviously) and I've found
some that are truly crap and don't offer you the choice[1], some that are
crap but accidentally allow their defaults to be overwritten[2], and some
well written ones that allow the tree to be navigated and new directories
(submenus) to be created.

[1] Let them install where they want, then move the Start Menu entries
around; it allow[s|ed] drag and drop.

[2] Knowing that the Start Menu is a directory tree helps here - so when the
Start Menu location is a writable text field, you can type in the path you
want, though sometimes for this to work might need any new folders to be
created first. It varies.

Of course, the closest match to the Start Menu on RISC OS is the Apps folder
- which if you use it (unless you take extra steps and/or don't access it
from its icon bar icon) offers a wonderful hierarchy of... every application
in the one window.

Feck me, I'm defending Microsoft! I feel dirty.

Followups set.
-- 
Vince M Hudd
Soft Rock Software

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