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Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week

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On 2025-11-12, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2025-11-12 02:04:43 +0000, Crash said:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:57:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-11 07:59:14 +0000, Crash said:
>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:47:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-11-10 23:45:55 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> A.  There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round “sale”. And 
>>>>>>>> the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
>>>>>>> sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And yet you complain about it as “greedy retailers”.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The two aren't connected. Plus, if they can sell them at the "sale"
>>>>> price while still making a profit (which they mostly do), then
>>>>> obviously the "normal" price is greedily excessive to begin with.
>>>> 
>>>> Except that the large retailers extract reduced pricing from their
>>>> suppliers to support their sale prices.  This is particularly true of
>>>> The Warehouse, Harvey Norman, PB Tech et al.  They don't drop their
>>>> margins, their suppliers do.
>>> 
>>> Doesn't really change the point that the original price was greedily
>>> excessive - whether that's due to the retailer or the manufacturer, or
>>> more likely both.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> There are 2 angles for this: a supplier who wants to move products
>>>> through their retailers, and retailers looking for suppliers wanting to
>>>> get their products included with competitive pricing in upcoming
>>>> retailer sales.
>>> 
>>> "Competitive pricing" is largely a myth. All the store brands basically
>>> collude on a price. If one store drops the price by a couple of
>>> dollars, all the others follow suit. If one brand raises the price by a
>>> couple of dollars, all the others follow suit. That's why you don't
>>> really find much savings by 'shopping around' (although there are some
>>> brands like Noel Leemings that are pretty much always more expensive).
>>> 
>>> That's the first rule of greedy big business: scam your customer for as
>>> much as money you can get away with.

Let the buyer be aware.


>> 
>> Lets put that a little differently.  The first rule of business: sell
>> your product for the highest price you can get for it.  By definition,
>> if a product sells to a willing buyer, then the price is excessive
>> only to socialists or communists.
>
> Except the buyers only have two choices: buy the product at an 
> excessive price or don't buy the product at all. When it's an necessary 
> product like bread, milk, etc, there is no actual choice (other than 
> starving).

This is when competition should arrive on the scene and attack the "exessive"
prices with the buyers all making it clear that the price is too high.

Unfortunately the buyers do not act with "force", so the execssive prices
are paid.

I'll agree that capitalism does not scale well. 



>
> And, as I said, since the companies basically collude on pricing, most 
> of the milk (or whatever) products are pretty much the same price, so 
> again, no actual choice. If there was real competitive pricing, then 
> some company would come along and sell milk (or whatever) for $2 while 
> still covering all their real expenses, instead of $5 to cover 
> excessive greed like all the others ... guess which company would then 
> sell the most.
>
>

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[NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-10 20:51 +1300
  Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:03 +0000
    Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 10:54 +1300
      Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:27 +0000
        Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 12:34 +1300
          Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:45 +0000
            Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 15:47 +1300
              Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 04:47 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 18:14 +1300
              Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:59 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 10:57 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-12 15:04 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 17:48 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-12 19:55 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 20:02 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:48 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:42 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net> - 2025-11-17 17:51 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-18 11:02 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 02:25 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-18 18:23 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 07:51 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-19 08:23 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 02:26 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-26 03:45 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-26 07:48 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:15 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 03:58 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 17:41 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:32 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:19 +1300
          Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:20 +1300
  Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-16 18:42 +1300

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