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Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week

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On 2025-11-12, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2025-11-12 06:55:02 +0000, Crash said:
>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 17:48:23 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2025-11-12 02:04:43 +0000, Crash said:
>>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 10:57:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-11-11 07:59:14 +0000, Crash said:
>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 15:47:47 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2025-11-10 23:45:55 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 12:34:51 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2025-11-10 22:27:45 +0000, Lawrence D´Oliveiro said:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 11 Nov 2025 10:54:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> A.  There are near-continuous sales at many retailers ...
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> There are laws in NZ against that kind of bogus year-round “sale”. And 
>>>>>>>>>> the Commerce Commission does enforce the law.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Obviously not very well since many retailers have a near-continuous
>>>>>>>>> sale. Briscoes being the most obvious, but there are others too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> And yet you complain about it as “greedy retailers”.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The two aren't connected. Plus, if they can sell them at the "sale"
>>>>>>> price while still making a profit (which they mostly do), then
>>>>>>> obviously the "normal" price is greedily excessive to begin with.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Except that the large retailers extract reduced pricing from their
>>>>>> suppliers to support their sale prices.  This is particularly true of
>>>>>> The Warehouse, Harvey Norman, PB Tech et al.  They don't drop their
>>>>>> margins, their suppliers do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Doesn't really change the point that the original price was greedily
>>>>> excessive - whether that's due to the retailer or the manufacturer, or
>>>>> more likely both.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> There are 2 angles for this: a supplier who wants to move products
>>>>>> through their retailers, and retailers looking for suppliers wanting to
>>>>>> get their products included with competitive pricing in upcoming
>>>>>> retailer sales.
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Competitive pricing" is largely a myth. All the store brands basically
>>>>> collude on a price. If one store drops the price by a couple of
>>>>> dollars, all the others follow suit. If one brand raises the price by a
>>>>> couple of dollars, all the others follow suit. That's why you don't
>>>>> really find much savings by 'shopping around' (although there are some
>>>>> brands like Noel Leemings that are pretty much always more expensive).
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's the first rule of greedy big business: scam your customer for as
>>>>> much as money you can get away with.
>>>> 
>>>> Lets put that a little differently.  The first rule of business: sell
>>>> your product for the highest price you can get for it.  By definition,
>>>> if a product sells to a willing buyer, then the price is excessive
>>>> only to socialists or communists.
>>> 
>>> Except the buyers only have two choices: buy the product at an
>>> excessive price or don't buy the product at all. When it's an necessary
>>> product like bread, milk, etc, there is no actual choice (other than
>>> starving).
>>> 
>>> And, as I said, since the companies basically collude on pricing, most
>>> of the milk (or whatever) products are pretty much the same price,
>>> so again, no actual choice. If there was real competitive pricing, then
>>> some company would come along and sell milk (or whatever) for $2 while
>>> still covering all their real expenses, instead of $5 to cover
>>> excessive greed like all the others ... guess which company would then
>>> sell the most.
>>> 
>> That is not correct.  Even with milk, there are multiple choices of
>> brand and price point.  I was in the supermarket yesterday and 500g
>> butter was available under the Pam's brand for $8.50/500g. Anchor was
>> available at $9.50/500g.  There was also a French brand available for
>> $7.00/200g.
>> 
>> By definition, if Anchor can sell at their price when the same product
>> is available cheaper, then the price of Anchor is fair because
>> customers made that choice.  Yes Anchor and Pam's are from the same
>> source, but customers decided what the fair price was for them, even
>> those who choose to by the French product.
>> 
>> It is the customer who decides, given multiple choices.  The same
>> applies to milk.
>
> I knew that was going to happen. "Milk" was simply an example product, 
> not an actual product. Too many people take everything written on the 
> internet as being 120% literal.   :-\
>
Milk is not an actual product. Ask any dairy farmer, he/she will tell you
that it is, as they produce and sell it. 

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[NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-10 20:51 +1300
  Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 21:03 +0000
    Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 10:54 +1300
      Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 22:27 +0000
        Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 12:34 +1300
          Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 23:45 +0000
            Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 15:47 +1300
              Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 04:47 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-11 18:14 +1300
              Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:59 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 10:57 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-12 15:04 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 17:48 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-12 19:55 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 20:02 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:48 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:42 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net> - 2025-11-17 17:51 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-18 11:02 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 02:25 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-18 18:23 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 07:51 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-19 08:23 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-18 02:26 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-26 03:45 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> - 2025-11-26 07:48 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:15 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 03:58 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-12 17:41 +1300
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> - 2025-11-17 03:32 +0000
                Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> - 2025-11-17 18:19 +1300
          Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-12 16:20 +1300
  Re: [NEWS] PB Tech Black Friday Sale starts this week Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-11-16 18:42 +1300

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