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Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"
Date	2025-08-22 08:20 +0200
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Am Donnerstag000021, 21.08.2025 um 13:48 schrieb Python:
> Le 21/08/2025 à 08:35, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am Mittwoch000020, 20.08.2025 um 19:00 schrieb Paul B. Andersen:
>>> Den 20.08.2025 10:15, skrev Thomas Heger:
>>>> Am Dienstag000019, 19.08.2025 um 19:47 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen:
>>>
>>>>>> Am Montag000018, 18.08.2025 um 20:56 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your 'delay' is obviously the transit time for the light
>>>>>>> to go from A to B, or from B to A.
>>>
>>> Do you think that pretending not to understand that
>>> the 'transit time' is the same as your 'delay' can
>>> make it correct that the your 'delay' is never mentioned? :-D
>>
>>
>> But 'transit time' wasn't mentioned neither!
> 
> If you cannot spot that when t_A, t_B and t'_A are defined as such :
> 
> "Let a ray of light start at the “A time” t_A from A towards B, let it 
> at the “B time” t_B be reflected at B in the direction of A, and arrive 
> again at A at the “A time” $t'_A."
> 
> And then that when t_B - t_A, t'_A - t_B and t'_A - t_A (all being 
> subtractions of times) are mentioned they all are (on some conditions 
> that Einstein specified) TRANSIT TIME i.e. delay then you definitely are 
> not part of the intended audience of this article.


No, because Einstein used the symbol 't' for 'points in time', which 
were measured in system K as 'A-time'.

The remote system in relative motion had also a local time, but which 
had a different symbol 'tau'.

Now it is very important, to keep track of the frames of reference, 
which were addressed by Einstein's variables.

We have two coordinate systems (K and k) and two different symbols for 
time coordinates (t and tau).

Einstein used the term 'time' not as intervals, but meant 'points in time'.

This was also wrong, of course, because time is always an interval and 
absolute points in time make no sense.

But Einstein meant actually 'points in time' with t.

Therefore, you were wrong, because those t in "t_B - t_A, t'_A - t_B and 
t'_A - t_A" were actually not all 'subtractions of times'.

Einstein meant points in time.

Duration was therefore a difference between t'_A and t_A (for instance).

BUT (VERY IMPORTANT!) all of these t were based and measured with 
'A-time' and by the observer in A.

This made t_B in measures of 'B-time' irrelevant.

The remote clock at B should be turned to 'A-time' anyhow (what was 
regarded as 'synchronization').

But to do this, we would need to tell an observer at point B the value 
of t_B, to which he had to set the local clock at the time of arrival of 
the signal.

This could be done, if the observer at point A measures the delay, adds 
the value to the local time in A, sends the result encoded to the remote 
station, where the local observer there turns the clock at point B 
accordingly.



> Your interpretation of the text, which has absolutely no ground in the 
> paper itself, is even ruled out at the very beginning of this section:


Sure, but that wasn't 'interpretation of the text'.

Instead I had created the correct method for synchronization myself and 
compared Einstein's method with that.

And, sure, there was a difference.

> "We might, of course, content ourselves with time values determined by 
> an observer stationed together with the watch at the origin of the co- 
> ordinates, and co-ordinating the corresponding positions of the hands 
> with light signals, given out by every event to be timed, and reaching 
> him through empty space. But this co-ordination has the disadvantage 
> that it is not independent of the standpoint of the observer with the 
> watch or clock, as we know from experience. We arrive at a much more 
> practical determination along the following line of thought."
> 
> Einstein EXPLICITLY rejects the interpretation you pulled out of nowhere.
I interpreted Einstein's word, as if he wanted to take the actually 
reading of the remote clock as remote time.

This follows from his procedure, where he 'reads' the remote clock 
(apparently by means of a telescope or similar).

This time value, which he reads from the remote clock, was assumed to be 
depending upon the distance between the observer and the clock.

But that would require, that Einstein didn't want to correct the 
received signal of the error caused by the transit delay.

This was in fact my interpretation of Einstein's text.

If you have any other, than, please, let me know.

TH

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                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-27 10:47 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-27 12:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-27 09:35 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-28 09:47 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-28 21:38 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-29 10:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:29 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-30 10:35 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:27 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-28 09:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-28 12:09 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:57 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:36 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 12:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:42 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:53 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-31 10:36 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:19 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 12:24 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-29 13:50 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:02 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 09:53 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Slobodan Miheenkov <so@kobn.ru> - 2025-08-30 10:23 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:13 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-31 11:50 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-01 08:27 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-01 08:31 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-02 08:42 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 10:28 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Antone De la fontaine <tle@aandot.fr> - 2025-09-02 19:56 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 10:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:28 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 11:38 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:12 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 12:46 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:35 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:11 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 13:19 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-25 22:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Chayne Prokurorov <nhp@ruurkrr.ru> - 2025-08-20 19:14 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
      Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-30 19:25 +0200
        Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-31 21:59 +0200
          Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:50 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:51 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-01 19:25 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:39 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:52 +0000

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