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Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"
Date	2025-08-31 09:53 +0200
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Am Samstag000030, 30.08.2025 um 15:33 schrieb Richard Hachel:
> Le 30/08/2025 à 09:28, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>> Am Freitag000029, 29.08.2025 um 14:00 schrieb Richard Hachel:
>>> Le 29/08/2025 à 09:32, Thomas Heger a écrit :
>>>> The 'hyperplane of the present' is not visible, but real.
>>>>
>>>> It is not visible, because it connects infinitively fast, what light 
>>>> cannot do.
>>>>
>>>> Light is fast, however, but not that fast.
>>>>
>>>> To deal with this discrepancy, we had to reject the actual visual 
>>>> impression of something remote and must think, that what we see 
>>>> remote is a picture, we receive from the past.
>>>>
>>>> It is longer ago the further away, hence the picture is actually 
>>>> 'layered in time'.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore the 'hyperplane of the present' is not what we can see in 
>>>> the night sky.
>>>>
>>>> Both differ from each other to a certain degree and cannot become 
>>>> reunited at all.
>>>>
>>>> This is so, because an event in say 3 ly distance will be visible in 
>>>> three years and one in 3 million ly distance in three million years.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore those two events can  never be seen together, even if they 
>>>> happen at the same time.
>>>>
>>>> To say, that an event seen in 3 mio ly is happening now, because we 
>>>> can see it now, would be a horendous mistake.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore the 'hyperplane of the present' is not visible at all.
>>>>
>>>> Only a very small part can actually be seen in the direct vicinity. 
>>>> Everything else can only be seen with a certain delay.
>>>
>>> I see that you clearly haven't understood anything I've been saying 
>>> for forty years.
>>> This anisochrony thing is very simple to understand; it simply 
>>> indicates that the notion of a present-time hyperplane is specific to 
>>> each observer, and that two observers only have the same time if they 
>>> are conjoined (that is, in the same place even if their speeds are 
>>> very different).
>>
>> I wanted to define 'in synch' by another system, where the 'hyperplane 
>> of the present' actually represents a connection with infinite velocity.
>>
>> In 'spacetime terms' it has no 'thickness'. That means, the time 
>> across in the direction of time is zero.
>>
>> This could imagined, anyhow, by introducing a signal, which does not 
>> exist in reality.
>>
>> This would connect (if it would exist) across the entire hyperplane of 
>> the present, but without any delay.
>>
>> This hyperplane of the present would be comoving with the observer 
>> under consideration, hence would be 'relative'.
>>
>> Other observers have therefore other hyperplanes of their present, 
>> which is comoving to them.
>>
>> Now we have a common experience, that the surface of the Earth is 
>> actually a sperical sheet, which belongs to the same 'time-domain', 
>> because time around the globe streams in roughly the same manner.
>>
>> But this changes with hight and possibly with other parameters, like 
>> e.g. acceleration.
>>
>> Now this picture seems not very satisfying.
>>
>> But there is a very interesting application to this method:
>>
>> we could associate 'infinitely fast influences' with a static field.
>>
>> This means, that static fields are 'relative' and only appear to be 
>> static from a certain perspective (which is the timeline of the 
>> observer).
>>
>> We could e.g. call a standing rotation wave 'static', if the observer 
>> moves with it and in the same direction and at the same pace (along 
>> the imaginary axis of time).
>>
>> This would fit now to the description of an atom, if we regard atoms 
>> as 'timelike stable patterns' (what I did).
>>
>> This in turn would allow matter to be created from nothing or to 
>> disappear without a trace.
>>
>> For both of these possibilities there are examples.
>>
>> 'matter out of nowhere' would fit to big-bang, for instance, but also 
>> to 'Growing Earth'.
>>
>>
>>
>> ...
>> TH
> 
> Ce n'est pas du tout ce que je tente de t'expliquer.
> 
"That's not at all what I'm trying to explain to you."

(French isn't a good idea for this group).

Well, you seemingly have some other concepts for relativty than those 
that I have.

And most likely you are correct.


But I use a certain 'backdrop' and that is Minkowski's spacetime and 
Poincare's concept local time.

The observer is in this picture 'self-centered' and rests permanently in 
the center of the own frame of reference.

Therefore any observer regards the own time a valid and running forward, 
while the observed universe is actually not universal, but the 
observer's own past light-cone.

The axis of time is regarded as imaginary axis and the relations 
connecting with other objects are assumed to behave like complex 
quaternions.

Now: what means 'simultaneous'?

I take the axis of time of the local observer and construct its inverse, 
which is called 'hyperplane of the present'.

All events upon that 'hyperplane of the present' are simultaneous for 
that observer in question.

But this ain't universal, because already the axis of time isn't.


Actually I would allow timelines, which run bachwards from the 
perspective of the observer.

Also 'sideways' time would be possible.


This is a possibility, because also matter is 'relative'.

Therefore, if we could turn the axis of time a bit, we would see an 
entirely different universe, filled with other matter and other stars.

TH

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                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-26 10:43 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-27 10:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Khalil Yablochkov <cvb@laoi.ru> - 2025-08-26 20:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-26 22:39 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-27 06:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-27 10:47 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-27 12:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-27 09:35 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-28 09:47 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-28 21:38 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-29 10:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:29 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-30 10:35 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:27 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-28 09:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-28 12:09 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:57 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:36 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 12:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:42 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:53 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-31 10:36 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:19 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 12:24 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-29 13:50 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:02 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 09:53 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Slobodan Miheenkov <so@kobn.ru> - 2025-08-30 10:23 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:13 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-31 11:50 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-01 08:27 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-01 08:31 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-02 08:42 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 10:28 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Antone De la fontaine <tle@aandot.fr> - 2025-09-02 19:56 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 10:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:28 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 11:38 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:12 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 12:46 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:35 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:11 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 13:19 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-25 22:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Chayne Prokurorov <nhp@ruurkrr.ru> - 2025-08-20 19:14 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
      Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-30 19:25 +0200
        Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-31 21:59 +0200
          Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:50 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:51 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-01 19:25 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:39 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:52 +0000

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