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Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error"
Date	2025-08-23 09:22 +0200
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Am Freitag000022, 22.08.2025 um 19:07 schrieb Python:
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>>>>>>>>> Your 'delay' is obviously the transit time for the light
>>>>>>>>> to go from A to B, or from B to A.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that pretending not to understand that
>>>>> the 'transit time' is the same as your 'delay' can
>>>>> make it correct that the your 'delay' is never mentioned? :-D
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But 'transit time' wasn't mentioned neither!
>>>
>>> If you cannot spot that when t_A, t_B and t'_A are defined as such :
>>>
>>> "Let a ray of light start at the “A time” t_A from A towards B, let 
>>> it at the “B time” t_B be reflected at B in the direction of A, and 
>>> arrive again at A at the “A time” $t'_A."
>>>
>>> And then that when t_B - t_A, t'_A - t_B and t'_A - t_A (all being 
>>> subtractions of times) are mentioned they all are (on some conditions 
>>> that Einstein specified) TRANSIT TIME i.e. delay then you definitely 
>>> are not part of the intended audience of this article.
>>
>>
>> No, because Einstein used the symbol 't' for 'points in time', which 
>> were measured in system K as 'A-time'.
>>
>> The remote system in relative motion had also a local time, but which 
>> had a different symbol 'tau'.
>>
>> Now it is very important, to keep track of the frames of reference, 
>> which were addressed by Einstein's variables.
>>
>> We have two coordinate systems (K and k) and two different symbols for 
>> time coordinates (t and tau).
> 
> We are not dealing yet with systems in relative motion in this section.

Sure, relative motion was introduced in §3 (together with v, tau and 
system k)>
> t and tau are defined for both systems K and k in the exact same way: by 
> considering mutually at rests clocks in both frames of reference. 
> Einstein wrote it explicitly:

NO!

Quote:

" ...(this 't' always denotes a time of the stationary system).."

The stationary system was named 'K'

Quote:

"...similarly let the time τ of the moving system be determined for all 
points of the moving system at which there are clocks..."

The moving system had the name 'k'.


> "We imagine further that with each clock there is a moving observer, and 
> that these observers apply to both clocks the criterion established in §1"

The quote was:

"We imagine further that at the two ends A and B of the rod, clocks are
placed which synchronize with the clocks of the stationary system, that 
is to say that their indications correspond at any instant to the "time 
of the stationary system" at the places where they happen to be. These 
clocks are therefore synchronous in the stationary system.
We imagine further that with each clock there is a moving observer,..."

This is a different situation, where a rod flies by at a distance and 
with significant velocity.

> But it is pointless to talk about what is beyond §1 if you've already 
> completely missed the point of §1. Right?

Well, actually no.

I counted roughly 380 errors in Einstein's text.

It would have been justified to stop after the first error and throw the 
paper into the dustbin.

But somehow I wanted to find ALL errors.

This would require to continue with an already messed up paper.

Therefore I was forced to take Einstein's words verbatim and had to 
isolate all statements to what they actually said.


>> Einstein used the term 'time' not as intervals, but meant 'points in 
>> time'.
> 
> He meant what a local clock reads. PERIOD.


Clocks don't show absolute time, but clocks are kind of counters, which 
count periods of some sort of rhythms, which occur in a constant and 
known frequency.

'To Count' requires to start the process somewhere and to end it.

Therefore time is actually an interval and has a starting point (which 
is usually not mentioned) and an endpoint (which the clocks could show).

But there are no such things as 'absolute points in time'.

That why clocks can't show or measure them.


...


TH

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                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-28 21:38 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Athel Cornish-Bowden <me@yahoo.com> - 2025-08-29 10:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:29 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:33 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-30 10:35 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-27 20:27 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-28 10:05 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-28 09:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-28 12:09 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:57 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:36 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 12:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2025-08-29 07:42 -0700
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:32 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:53 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-31 10:36 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 09:19 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:00 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-29 12:24 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-29 10:33 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-29 13:50 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:02 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 09:53 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Slobodan Miheenkov <so@kobn.ru> - 2025-08-30 10:23 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:13 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-31 11:50 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-01 08:27 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-09-01 08:31 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-09-02 08:42 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 09:39 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-02 10:28 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Antone De la fontaine <tle@aandot.fr> - 2025-09-02 19:56 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-09-04 15:40 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 10:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:28 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-29 11:38 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-30 09:12 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 12:46 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-08-31 09:35 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:11 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-30 13:19 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2025-08-30 15:40 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-30 13:44 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-28 14:47 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-08-25 22:22 +0200
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Chayne Prokurorov <nhp@ruurkrr.ru> - 2025-08-20 19:14 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:41 +0000
                Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-19 02:46 +0000
      Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2025-07-30 19:25 +0200
        Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" "Paul.B.Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2025-07-31 21:59 +0200
          Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:50 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 16:51 +0000
            Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Richard Hachel <rh@tiscali.fr> - 2025-08-01 19:25 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:39 +0000
              Re: About the difference between "time dilation" and "clock error" Python <jp@python.invalid> - 2025-08-01 19:52 +0000

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