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| From | Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class |
| Date | 2015-06-03 17:29 +0100 |
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On 03/06/2015 17:00, BartC wrote:
> On 03/06/2015 13:08, Marko Rauhamaa wrote:
>> BartC <bc@freeuk.com>:
>>
>>> To 'variable' and 'type', you might need to add 'value' to make it more
>>> complete.
>>
>> 'Value' and 'object' are indeed synonymous as long as you keep in mind
>> that:
>>
>> >>> -12 == -12
>> True
>> >>> -12 is -12
>> False
>>
>> IOW, the literal expression -12 happens to construct a fresh
>> value/object each time CPython parses it.
>
> That's a different matter. However, you appear to be wrong.
>
> print (-12 is -12)
>
> gives True. As does ("abc" is "abc"). I assume constructions for
> immutable values will do the same (([10,20,30] is [10,20,30]) gives
> False because the constructs are mutable, although it's difficult to see
> how in that form).
>
> (This is on 2.7, 3.1 and PyPy. On 3.4.3, (-12 is -12) gives False as you
> say, although (12 is 12) gives True, so not even Python can make up its
> mind how it's supposed to work!)
>
> 3.4.3:
>
> print (-12 is -12) => False
> print (12 is 12) => True
> print (20000000000000000000 is 20000000000000000000) => True
>
> The others all give True in all cases. It seems that older Python
> versions have a purer object model.
>
No, you don't understand how cPython does things.
--
My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask
what you can do for our language.
Mark Lawrence
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Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class Steven D'Aprano <steve+comp.lang.python@pearwood.info> - 2015-06-03 18:08 +1000
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class "Dr. Bigcock" <dreamingforward@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 11:00 -0700
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class Eddilbert Macharia <edd.cowan@gmail.com> - 2015-06-02 21:16 -0700
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-03 06:23 +0100
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-03 11:20 +0100
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Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-03 12:08 +0100
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2015-06-03 15:08 +0300
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-03 17:00 +0100
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class Mark Lawrence <breamoreboy@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-06-03 17:29 +0100
Re: Everything is an object in python - object class and type class BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-06-03 19:59 +0100
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