Re: Wave particle duality has been disproven for photons also.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Wave particle duality has been disproven for photons also.
Date	2025-05-30 12:06 +0200
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Am Mittwoch000028, 28.05.2025 um 20:56 schrieb LaurenceClarkCrossen:

>>>>
>>>> Particle wave duality is no longer accepted as it has been
>>>> experimentally disproven.
>>>>
>>>> The question regarding photons is still disputed.
>>>>
>>>> "Did We Get the Double Slit Experiment All Wrong?"
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpMcC-E5l5c
>>>>
>>>> Light is a wave and not a particle.
>>>
>>>
>>> There is no "duality" of a wave and a particle, but it is a particle
>>> wave.
>>>
>>
>>
>> No
>>
>> Particles are actually 'timelike stable patterns', while waves are not
>> stable, hence move through space.
>>
>> But stability is a question of the perspective.
>>
>> E.g. you could 'adjust the own velocity' (theoretically) and fly
>> parallel to the wave.
>>
>> IoW: you fly with the speed of light and look backwards, to a -say-
>> laser beam, which stems from your home station.
>>
>> Now the ray from home gets red-shifted, the more the faster you fly.
>>
>> Once you reach c, the ray had frequency zero and you could regard the
>> wave as a particle.
>>
>> Or you could try to 'catch' a wave and keep it in your realm.
>>
>> This would also make a particle out of the wave, too, because in that
>> case the wave does not move through space anymore.
>>
>>
>>
>> TH
> I don't think relative motion can make a particle out of a wave or that
> what light is is a matter of perspective.


It makes actually some sense, if we would give up the so called 
'particle concept' altogether.

Actually we need a continuum, which could be both: particle and vacuum 
(depending on the perspective).

But since 'materialism' is hard wired into our brains, we cannot even 
think about this possibility.

But I would guess, that the idea of real, lasting, material particles is 
plain wrong.

I have actually developed an alternative approach called 'structured 
spacetime', which works quite well.

The reason is, that some aspects of reality fit to current quantum 
mechanics, but some aspects contradict simple logic and cosmological 
necessities.

Since a good concept needs to match all known facts, we had to think 
'beyond our limits' and about higher dimensions, from which we perceive 
only a certain subset.

The tricky part is now, to estimate the structure of these higher 
dimension from the behavior of objects in our own realm.

This is very similar to the popular picture of 'flatlanders, who cannot 
see, that they are flat and a world exists, which is not flat.

But 'flatlanders' can actually assume, that such an invisible world 
would exist and calculate, how that could eventually look like by simply 
observing their flat world and extrapolating that to three dimensions.

Same can we, but with a few more dimensions.

TH

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