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| From | Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.atheism |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. |
| Date | 2024-06-13 00:55 +1000 |
| Message-ID | <lctr6nFoq8bU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
D wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Jun 2024, Maximus wrote: > >> Attila wrote: >>> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:37:42 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >>> message-id <v4ag37$187hc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >>> >>>> On 11/06/2024 8:13 pm, Attila wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:39:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >>>>> message-id <v482sa$l4q3$3@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 10/06/2024 6:08 pm, Attila wrote: >>>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:20:48 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >>>>>>> message-id <v459s0$3r090$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/06/2024 7:24 am, Attila wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:06:38 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>> <6664ABBE.2601@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 12:21:49 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>> <6658D1CD.38D1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 09:47:46 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>>> <6658ADB2.6E8E@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 17:04:15 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6657C27F.35B6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of any god. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you see trees anywhere else in the universe? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not looked everywhere. Have you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You want proof of God, would a California Driver License >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ID do? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. What are the conditions for obtaining one? I >>>>>>>>>>>>> don't trust anything coming out of Cartel West. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here AttiLa is that God is everywhere. Even >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you looked 'everywhere' >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't be able to 'see' Him...just as a fish in his >>>>>>>>>>>>>> aquarium doesn't understand >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what he sees everywhere pass the glass. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult to analyze and describe...God is subtle. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is >>>>>>>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>>>>>> I think you are not understanding... >>>>>>>>>>> So you say. I require a bit more. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, but >>>>>>>>>>>> You cannot look everywhere at once. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say "Look over there." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If you look over there you might see a rock.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> but if you look eveywhere..you see...God. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, not ...over there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> A rock is not everywhere, it's over there. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Where's that ham sandwitch???? i bet it's somewhere overthere. >>>>>>>>>>> I rest my case. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there >>>>>>>>>> is a god!" >>>>>> It is if you bother to look at what constitutes a ham sandwich, >>>>>> where >>>>>> that ham sandwich came from, and the impossibility of everything >>>>>> creating itself. >>>>> There are too many possible alternatives to attribute >>>>> anything to an intelligent source. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As I said, for some that is all that is necessary. They >>>>>>>> Everything is evidence there is a God. >>>>>>> That is what I mean. That attitude allows no further >>>>>>> discussion. >>>>>> Well, everything is the evidence for God. >>>>>> >>>>>> And yes, we have differing experience. >>>>> Thus making the experience of someone else useless. >>>>> >>>>>>> BTW, where is any supporting evidence (actual facts) for >>>>>>> that conclusion? Or is it only your unsupported belief? >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this the point where I say, "Oh look! There is an Attila! That >>>>>> proves >>>>>> there is no God!" >>>>> You cannot prove a negative. >>>> Who says? >>> Anyone. All possible sources must be investigated to >>> support a negative and no alternative explanations can >>> exist. >>> >> >> some negatives can be proven. I could prove there's no gorilla in my >> car. > > Not strictly conclusively. at any particular point in time is/was implied > You could be mistaken, one could have snuck in there when you were not > watching, one could in fact be there _right now_. > > I'd say that you would make a stronger claim by saying that you can > logically prove a negative such as for instance, there is no gorilla > of specified size in your microwave due to the laws of physics. But > that is not scientific proof, just a tautology that follows from the > premises. > > But once the gorilla is seen, and documented, it is proven to at least > have existed forever. > > Ok, ok, for the philosophical fans out there, you could always argue > eternal and supreme doubt, but that leads nowhere which is why it is > not taken seriously in academic circles. -- “Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23 "Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge" "Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle" "God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand. The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation'."
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Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. In the Name of Jesus <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> - 2024-06-10 08:20 +1000
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