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| From | D <nospam@example.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.atheism |
| Subject | Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science. |
| Date | 2024-06-12 14:27 +0200 |
| Organization | i2pn2 (i2pn.org) |
| Message-ID | <f27fd3fd-06db-6911-cf1a-318149e1e65a@example.net> (permalink) |
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On Wed, 12 Jun 2024, Maximus wrote: > Attila wrote: >> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:37:42 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >> message-id <v4ag37$187hc$1@dont-email.me> wrote: >> >>> On 11/06/2024 8:13 pm, Attila wrote: >>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:39:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >>>> message-id <v482sa$l4q3$3@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 10/06/2024 6:08 pm, Attila wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:20:48 +1000, In the Name of Jesus >>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with >>>>>> message-id <v459s0$3r090$2@dont-email.me> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/06/2024 7:24 am, Attila wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:06:38 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>> <6664ABBE.2601@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 12:21:49 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>> <6658D1CD.38D1@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 09:47:46 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>> <6658ADB2.6E8E@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 17:04:15 -0700, The Starmaker >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6657C27F.35B6@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of any god. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you see trees anywhere else in the universe? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not looked everywhere. Have you? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You want proof of God, would a California Driver License ID do? >>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not. What are the conditions for obtaining one? I >>>>>>>>>>>> don't trust anything coming out of Cartel West. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here AttiLa is that God is everywhere. Even if you >>>>>>>>>>>>> looked 'everywhere' >>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't be able to 'see' Him...just as a fish in his >>>>>>>>>>>>> aquarium doesn't understand >>>>>>>>>>>>> what he sees everywhere pass the glass. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult to analyze and describe...God is subtle. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A pile of poop! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A rock! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A bug! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a god!" >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick. For some that is all the evidence that is >>>>>>>>>>>> needed. >>>>>>>>>>> I think you are not understanding... >>>>>>>>>> So you say. I require a bit more. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, but >>>>>>>>>>> You cannot look everywhere at once. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say "Look over there." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If you look over there you might see a rock.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> but if you look eveywhere..you see...God. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, not ...over there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> A rock is not everywhere, it's over there. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Where's that ham sandwitch???? i bet it's somewhere overthere. >>>>>>>>>> I rest my case. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: "Oh, look! A ham sandwich! That proves there is a >>>>>>>>> god!" >>>>> It is if you bother to look at what constitutes a ham sandwich, where >>>>> that ham sandwich came from, and the impossibility of everything >>>>> creating itself. >>>> There are too many possible alternatives to attribute >>>> anything to an intelligent source. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> As I said, for some that is all that is necessary. They >>>>>>> Everything is evidence there is a God. >>>>>> That is what I mean. That attitude allows no further >>>>>> discussion. >>>>> Well, everything is the evidence for God. >>>>> >>>>> And yes, we have differing experience. >>>> Thus making the experience of someone else useless. >>>> >>>>>> BTW, where is any supporting evidence (actual facts) for >>>>>> that conclusion? Or is it only your unsupported belief? >>>>> >>>>> Is this the point where I say, "Oh look! There is an Attila! That proves >>>>> there is no God!" >>>> You cannot prove a negative. >>> Who says? >> Anyone. All possible sources must be investigated to >> support a negative and no alternative explanations can >> exist. >> > > some negatives can be proven. I could prove there's no gorilla in my car. Not strictly conclusively. You could be mistaken, one could have snuck in there when you were not watching, one could in fact be there _right now_. I'd say that you would make a stronger claim by saying that you can logically prove a negative such as for instance, there is no gorilla of specified size in your microwave due to the laws of physics. But that is not scientific proof, just a tautology that follows from the premises. But once the gorilla is seen, and documented, it is proven to at least have existed forever. Ok, ok, for the philosophical fans out there, you could always argue eternal and supreme doubt, but that leads nowhere which is why it is not taken seriously in academic circles.
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