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Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.

From Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics, alt.atheism
Subject Re: Atheism is a belief, it's not a science.
Date 2024-06-12 20:00 +1000
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Attila wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2024 07:37:42 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
> message-id <v4ag37$187hc$1@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
>> On 11/06/2024 8:13 pm, Attila wrote:
>>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:39:54 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
>>> message-id <v482sa$l4q3$3@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 10/06/2024 6:08 pm, Attila wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Jun 2024 08:20:48 +1000, In the Name of Jesus
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> in alt.atheism with
>>>>> message-id <v459s0$3r090$2@dont-email.me> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/06/2024 7:24 am, Attila wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 12:06:38 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>> <6664ABBE.2601@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 12:21:49 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>> <6658D1CD.38D1@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 May 2024 09:47:46 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>> <6658ADB2.6E8E@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 May 2024 17:04:15 -0700, The Starmaker
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> in alt.atheism with message-id
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <6657C27F.35B6@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have yet to see any valid evidence supporting the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence of any god.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you see trees anywhere else in the universe?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have not looked everywhere.  Have you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You want proof of God, would a California Driver License ID do?
>>>>>>>>>>> Probably not.  What are the conditions for obtaining one?  I
>>>>>>>>>>> don't trust anything coming out of Cartel West.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem here AttiLa is that God is everywhere. Even if you looked 'everywhere'
>>>>>>>>>>>> you wouldn't be able to 'see' Him...just as a fish in his aquarium doesn't understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> what he sees everywhere pass the glass.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Difficult to analyze and describe...God is subtle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A pile of poop!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A rock!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A bug!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>> "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Take your pick.  For some that is all the evidence that is
>>>>>>>>>>> needed.
>>>>>>>>>> I think you are not understanding...
>>>>>>>>> So you say.  I require a bit more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, but
>>>>>>>>>> You cannot look everywhere at once.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I didn't say "Look over there."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you look over there you might see a rock..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> but if you look eveywhere..you see...God.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> God is everywhere, not ...over there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A rock is not everywhere, it's over there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where's that ham sandwitch???? i bet it's somewhere overthere.
>>>>>>>>> I rest my case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Attila < wrote: "Oh, look!  A ham sandwich!  That proves there is a god!"
>>>> It is if you bother to look at what constitutes a ham sandwich, where
>>>> that ham sandwich came from, and the impossibility of everything
>>>> creating itself.
>>> There are too many possible alternatives to attribute
>>> anything to an intelligent source.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> As I said, for some that is all that is necessary.  They
>>>>>> Everything is evidence there is a God.
>>>>> That is what I mean.  That attitude allows no further
>>>>> discussion.
>>>> Well, everything is the evidence for God.
>>>>
>>>> And yes, we have differing experience.
>>> Thus making the experience of someone else useless.
>>>
>>>>> BTW, where is any supporting evidence (actual facts) for
>>>>> that conclusion?  Or is it only your unsupported belief?
>>>>
>>>> Is this the point where I say, "Oh look! There is an Attila! That proves
>>>> there is no God!"
>>> You cannot prove a negative.
>> Who says?
> Anyone.  All possible sources must be investigated to
> support a negative and no alternative explanations can
> exist.
>

some negatives can be proven. I could prove there's no gorilla in my car.

-- 
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation'."

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