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Re: Scalar waves

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Scalar waves
Date	2024-05-08 08:04 +0200
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Am Dienstag000007, 07.05.2024 um 18:53 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
> W dniu 07.05.2024 o 18:42, J. J. Lodder pisze:
>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am Montag000006, 06.05.2024 um 13:52 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-05-06 09:36:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A measurement is not a measurement unless it can be traced
>>>>>> to a primary standard.
>>>>>> So your multimeter measures 204.5 mA when it says so
>>>>>> because the manufacturer of it says so.
>>>>>> Your manufacturer can guarantee that,
>>>>>> because he has calibrated the thing
>>>>>> against his standard ampere meter.
>>>>>> He knows that his standard meter measures amps
>>>>>> because he takes it to his national standards lab,
>>>>>> where they calibrate it for him.
>>>>>> And ultimately (if you live in a small country)
>>>>>> your national lab takes their standards to NIST, or BIPM,
>>>>>> where they do have a primary standard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly. Or the manufacturer or certifier or the national
>>>>> laboratory may have a reference that they compare directly
>>>>> to the definition.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly. Whatever,
>>>> the point is and remains that a measurement isn't a measurement
>>>> unless it can be traced to an SI standard.
>>>> In many cases this is even required by law.
>>>> Whatever is doing the calibrating must be a state-approved agency.
>>>
>>> Well, no!
>>>
>>> You can use any other consistent system of units, if you don't like
>>> SI-units.
>>
>> Certainly, and you can use any other system of dimensions
>> than the one that is conventionally associated with the SI.
>>
>>> But actually I was talking about dimensions and how those are defined.
>>>
>>> That term refers to WHAT is measured, while units define the quantities
>>> of the measurement results.
>>
>> Sure, you can invent your own definitions,
>> but that is not how the term 'dimension' is used in physics.
>>
>>> Simple example:
>>>
>>> you have a distance of roughly 1 meter and want to measure that.
>>>
>>> you could use inch, yards, forlongs, lightseconds, Angstroem, mm and the
>>> size of the emperors feet.
>>>
>>> The choice of a unit would only influence the numerical value, but not
>>> the measured distance.
>>
>> You forget the only length unit that is still in everyday use,
>> the second, up to an unconvenient conversion factor.
>> Do I really need to remind you again that the meter has been abolished
>> as a primary standard, and that all length measurements
>> must (by the definition of the meter) be calibrated in seconds?
> 
> Only such an idiot can believe such impudent lies, Lod.
> 

The dimensions 'time' and 'length' are different, hence you cannot 
define units of length by units of time.

That idea itself stems from Einstein's SRT.

But Einstein's SRT is in my view a bunch of crap.


If you actually do that and define the meter by a certain fraction of 
the lightsecond, you need the lightsecond in the first place.

To define the lightsecond, you would need the speed of light and the second.

To define the speed of light, you would need the meter.

Now we get apparently a 'circular definition' (what is not allowed), 
because the meter is based on the speed of light.


TH

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