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Am Montag000006, 06.05.2024 um 13:52 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
> Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-05-06 09:36:27 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>>
>>> A measurement is not a measurement unless it can be traced
>>> to a primary standard.
>>> So your multimeter measures 204.5 mA when it says so
>>> because the manufacturer of it says so.
>>> Your manufacturer can guarantee that,
>>> because he has calibrated the thing
>>> against his standard ampere meter.
>>> He knows that his standard meter measures amps
>>> because he takes it to his national standards lab,
>>> where they calibrate it for him.
>>> And ultimately (if you live in a small country)
>>> your national lab takes their standards to NIST, or BIPM,
>>> where they do have a primary standard.
>>
>> Possibly. Or the manufacturer or certifier or the national
>> laboratory may have a reference that they compare directly
>> to the definition.
> 
> Certainly. Whatever,
> the point is and remains that a measurement isn't a measurement
> unless it can be traced to an SI standard.
> In many cases this is even required by law.
> Whatever is doing the calibrating must be a state-approved agency.

Well, no!

You can use any other consistent system of units, if you don't like 
SI-units.

I personally dislike the so called 'imperial units'. But those are 
consistent and well defined, too.

Or you invent something on your own and use that.

> For example, your tape rule, or balance, or... may have a marking
> that says 'not for purposes of trade'.
> What it says is an impression only.
> Selling goods using it is illegal,
> and will be punishable.

Science and trade are not exactly the same thing.

Sure, for trade, especially international trade, you need agreements 
about the used measures.

But that is a different topic and political in nature.

> BTW, setting standards for weights and measures
> is one of the oldest functions of the state,
> going back as least 4 000 years,
> 

Sure.

But actually I was talking about dimensions and how those are defined.

That term refers to WHAT is measured, while units define the quantities 
of the measurement results.

Simple example:

you have a distance of roughly 1 meter and want to measure that.

you could use inch, yards, forlongs, lightseconds, Angstroem, mm and the 
size of the emperors feet.

The choice of a unit would only influence the numerical value, but not 
the measured distance.


TH

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