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Re: Updated crackpot index?

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Am 24.12.2022 um 22:33 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:

>> Ignoring something was proven wrong yet still believing in it and
>> parading it is what earns crackpot points.
>
> Sure, stupid Mike, sure.
>

But 'proving wrong' must fulfill scientific criteria.

What we usually have is actually something else:

proofs are based on certain axioms, which could actually be also wrong.

For instance, I think that 'Growing Earth' is actually true. I wanted to 
show with a proof of Growing Earth, that matter is not created in the 
big-bang, but inside planet Earth in real time.

But this theory is 'dispoven' by showing, that 'Growing Earth' would 
violate mass conservation.

But I wanted to prove, that 'mass conservation' is actually violated by 
proving 'Growing Earth'.

So, the main problem is the validity of certain axioms.

This issue is actually difficult to solve, because axioms are valid by 
default.

Axioms are very similar to religious believes and are usually not 
subject to debate.

(If you dare to do that, you could actually be punished for heresie.)

But that would be as unscientific as you could possibly get, because 
science is based on the concept of free exchange of ideas.

If some ideas are excluded and banned, than nothing good could come out 
of a debate.

The 'come out of the debate procedure' would require, to 'sieve' the 
arguments and sort out anything invalid and proceede from the remainder.

But that is difficult, if some axioms cannot be questioned.

So: it is very important, that also axioms are subject to verification 
and sorted out, once that fails.


TH

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