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Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error
Date 2022-06-10 07:28 +0200
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Am 08.06.2022 um 17:11 schrieb Tom Roberts:
> On 6/8/22 3:13 AM, Tom Capizzi wrote:
>> On Monday, May 16, 2022 at 4:47:04 AM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
>>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 6:48:24 PM UTC-7, tgca...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>> After years of rereading Einstein and arguing with his legions of
>>>> cultists,
>>> Sigh. Yet another crackpot.
>>>
>>> -- Jan
>>
>> Yes. Don't you hate it when crackpot skeptics blather about how it is
>> impossible for there to be anything wrong with special relativity?
>
> Don't you hate it when people don't realize that the mathematics
> underlying Special Relativity has been proven to be as self-consistent
> as is Euclidean geometry, and as is real analysis?


Appartently the universe 'speaks' in a mathematical language, which is 
also known as 'geometric algebra'.

For this type of 'university math' we would need complex four vectors, 
which are also known as bi-quaternions.

Now it is easy to see, that Einstein didn't use anything similar in his 
1905 paper. He didn't even use usual vectors properly.

So how do you connect his 'self-consistent' math with the behaviour of 
the universe, if the underlying math is so different?

Einstein mentioned group theory very briefly, but not which group would fit.

For some reason I think, that a certain group called CL_3 would match 
the requirements, but cannot find any reference to that particular group 
in Einstein's paper.

Therefore, a self-consistent description does not necessarily describe 
the real world properly.

To test, whether a mathematical construct would fit to observations, 
scientists usually conduct certain tests, known as 'experiments'.

But Einstein shifted real experiments to an imaginary realm, where no 
discrepancy between math and tought was possible.


...


TH

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Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-05-15 18:48 -0700
  Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-05-15 19:01 -0700
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-15 21:24 -0500
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-05-15 19:34 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 14:54 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 15:51 -0700
        Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-05-17 23:03 -0700
  Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-16 01:47 -0700
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-16 11:31 +0200
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 01:13 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-06-08 10:11 -0500
        Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 21:27 -0700
        Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 13:09 -0700
          Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Ricardo Jimenez <rickyjim@earthlink.net> - 2022-06-09 18:35 -0400
            Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 18:38 -0700
          Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 17:49 -0700
            Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 18:50 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 21:47 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 22:31 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-11 06:55 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-11 07:32 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-11 23:43 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-11 23:52 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 10:54 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 11:50 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 12:10 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-13 18:56 +0200
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 09:28 +0200
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 00:31 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-14 18:16 +0200
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 09:23 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 17:27 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-14 19:17 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-20 16:18 -0700
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                Re: Crank Tom Capizzi perseveres Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-20 16:19 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Stan Fultoni <fultonistan@gmail.com> - 2022-06-20 20:38 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-21 13:01 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-06-23 12:51 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-23 13:38 -0700
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                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 11:34 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-11 10:42 -0700
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            Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 16:06 -0700
        Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-10 07:28 +0200
          Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 22:38 -0700
            Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-11 06:47 +0200
              Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-10 23:34 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-12 07:26 +0200
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-12 10:50 -0700
                Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-13 11:27 +0200
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    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 01:27 -0700
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    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-18 22:50 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-05-19 19:41 +1000
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    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-19 11:26 +0200
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Ricardo Jimenez <rickyjim@earthlink.net> - 2022-05-20 10:49 -0400
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 01:39 -0700
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 01:42 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-06-10 09:33 +1000
        Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-09 17:27 -0700
          Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-06-10 11:56 +1000
  Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-05 10:37 +0200
    Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Tom Capizzi <tgcapizzi@gmail.com> - 2022-06-08 01:53 -0700
      Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-06-09 09:20 +0200
  Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-06-05 02:15 -0700

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