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Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Special Relativity Fatal Error
Date 2022-06-09 09:20 +0200
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Am 08.06.2022 um 10:53 schrieb Tom Capizzi:
> On Sunday, June 5, 2022 at 4:38:06 AM UTC-4, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 16.05.2022 um 03:48 schrieb Tom Capizzi:
>>> After years of rereading Einstein and arguing with his legions of cultists, I finally caught his unfixable mistake.
>> I had to cut off most of your message, because it is impossible to read
>> long texts without any formatting or white space.
>>
>> Ok, it is in fact possible to read a text, despite the author did
>> everything possible to make it hard.
>>
>> But you shouldn't count on the willingness to do so.
>>
>>
>> But let me try to answer your question, anyhow..
>>
>>
>> Einstein's worst error in 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' was,
>> that he attempted to create a function 'tau', which meant a coordinate
>> transformation between two coordinate systems in relative motion.
>>
>> Such coordinate transformations should leave the phenomenon described in
>> system A unchanged, if the desription is converted from A to coordinate
>> system B.
>>
>> But Einstein ascribed the function tau to the phenomenon itself, which
>> was interpreted as deformation of the form of that something (aka
>> 'length contraction').
>>
>> But coordinate transformations should not do that and change only the
>> description (iow: change the vectors, not the things, the vectors were
>> used to describe).
>>
>>
>> TH
>
> There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the idea of coordinate transformation.

Sure, coordinate transformations should be possible, because a 
coordinate system is not a real thing, but a system which we use to 
measure something.

Now a coordinate transformation should leave the thing we measure 
unchanged, while alter measurement values.


> What Einstein got totally wrong was the definition of a valid measurement. He applied a standard that had been in use for centuries. Unfortunately for him, he was trying to describe the new physics of relativistic velocity. He took the valid mathematical procedure for determining parallelness and incorrectly assigned the low speed approximation of this mathematical standard to be his measurement protocol. A number of contradictions result, which can only be corrected by the addition of more ad hoc corrections. Reminds me of the failed attempts to correct the geocentric model of the Solar System by the addition of ever more epicycles. The geocentric model was ultimately abandoned because it was wrong. Special relativity deserves the same fate.
>

Einstein ascribed the measurement values to the thing we measure itself, 
instead of to the measurement.

That is a terrible flaw.

E.g. the frequency change caused by the Doppler effect is 'unreal' 
because it is only visible at the side of the observer.

Now Einstein's 'relativitic effects' (like length contraction and so 
forth) were meant as real physical effect, which occur at the side of 
the observed object, but were only justified by a coordinate transformation.

Such effects must not be ascribed to the attributes of the observed 
thing, but to the observations.


TH

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