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Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies '

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies '
Date	2022-05-21 10:02 +0200
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Am 19.05.2022 um 11:09 schrieb JanPB:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2022 at 10:40:10 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> Am 01.05.2022 um 04:14 schrieb JanPB:
>>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 10:16:09 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Hi NG
>>>>
>>>> Einstein based his theory, commonly called 'SRT', on a strange concept
>>>> about time.
>>>>
>>>> He wrote, that time would be based on synchronization of clocks.
>>>
>>> No, this is incorrect. It's possible, in fact, to state special relativity without
>>> ever defining clock synchronisation.
>>>
>> SRT and Einstein's 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' are two
>> different things.
>
> No, they are the same.

No

Relativity is actually a trivial idea and dates back at least to Galileo.

Therefore: The idea, that Einstein had invented relativity is not even 
funny.

Special relativity in connection to electrodynamics of moving bodies 
dates back to Heinrich hertz, who wrote a book about the 'Ausbreitung 
der elektrischen Kraft' (something like: distribution of the electric 
forces).

and the chapter 14 was about the equations related to the 
electrodynamics of moving bodies.

Einstein apparently used this book, but left no quotes or references.

Other roots of SRT were Hendrik Lorentz, Henry Poincare, Hermann 
Minkowski and others.

The historical roots and subsequent changes of SRT prior and after 
Einstein's text of 1905 belong to SRT, too, hence it is not possible to 
equate both.
...

TH

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Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-30 07:16 +0200
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-29 23:19 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 15:08 +0000
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 09:10 -0700
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 09:31 -0700
        Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 16:46 +0000
          Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 09:50 -0700
        Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 19:28 +0000
        Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-19 11:34 -0700
          Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Russell Eaton <deliveredonline@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 03:42 -0700
          Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Russell Eaton <deliveredonline@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 03:53 -0700
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-05-20 10:43 -0400
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 08:10 -0700
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 08:11 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 08:31 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-05-20 13:17 -0400
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 10:27 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-05-20 14:08 -0400
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 11:21 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2022-05-20 16:18 -0400
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 13:40 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 14:16 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 11:23 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-05-20 23:42 +0200
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 21:27 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-06-01 14:29 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-02 10:23 +0200
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-06-02 14:14 +0300
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-02 13:54 +0200
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 05:29 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-02 17:49 +0200
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-06-02 08:53 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-06-02 18:30 +0300
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's 'On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-06-02 23:05 +0200
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 11:26 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 09:05 -0700
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 07:50 -0700
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-20 13:10 -0500
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 11:36 -0700
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-05-20 14:19 -0500
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-28 07:07 +0200
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2022-05-28 17:48 -0700
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-06-03 05:31 -0700
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Hannu Poropudas <haporopuda@gmail.com> - 2022-06-03 01:21 -0700
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Hannu Poropudas <haporopuda@gmail.com> - 2022-06-07 01:19 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 19:11 -0700
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Jonas Tanaka <wrbh@ifzgqznn.zq> - 2022-05-01 20:55 +0000
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2022-04-30 22:37 +1000
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-30 14:39 +0200
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 06:07 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 15:08 +0000
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 09:06 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 19:31 +0000
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-01 09:36 +0200
        Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 12:16 +0000
          Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 12:19 +0000
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 10:37 -0700
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-05-01 18:32 +0000
            Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-02 07:54 +0200
              Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-05-02 11:16 +0000
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2022-05-02 14:30 +0000
                Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-07 08:50 +0200
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-30 23:57 +0200
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 15:15 -0700
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 21:45 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-30 20:41 +0200
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 12:22 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 11:11 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Colin Ohba <owfs@gcftghsf.tk> - 2022-04-30 20:43 +0000
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-04-30 16:24 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 10:49 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the elec trodynamics of moving bodies ' Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 19:28 +0000
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 14:06 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Ken Seto <setoken47@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 13:30 -0700
  Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 19:14 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-30 21:47 -0700
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Job Chikamatsu <fkpy@ekyzcfxq.wn> - 2022-05-01 09:56 +0000
    Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-19 07:40 +0200
      Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-19 02:09 -0700
        Re: Concepts about time in Einstein's ‚On the electrodynamics of moving bodies ' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-21 10:02 +0200

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