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Am 12.05.2022 um 20:33 schrieb JanPB:
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>
>>>> we can simply
>>>> transform this equation by a trivial operation to x_0= xsi_0 - v*t,
>>>> which we find in the text in a quite similar form.
>>>>
>>>> Now xsi_0 was the position of the emitter and xsi_mirror was the
>>>> position of the mirror.
>>>>
>>>> For a linear transformation we would expect xsi_mirror= x_mirror - v*t.
>>>>
>>>> Actually Einstein had not written so, but x' would fit to x_mirror and x
>>>> to 'position of the emitter at xsi_0 = x_0 + v*t'.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore x'= xsi_mirror + v*t.
>>>
>>> This is all incorrect.
>>>
>> No.
>>
>> Actually you call 'incorrect', what is a very trivial consequence of the
>> used settings.
>
> No. What you wrote is incorrect. As in: false.

Sure, I made a mistake, because the vector for dislocation would add, 
but the numerical values should be substracted.

IOW: the distance between the zero spot of K and the zero spot of k 
increases according to distance(t) = v*t.

The zero spot of K has also xsi-coordinates in k, with xsi= xsi_0 - v*t.



>> We have two coordinate systems (K and k). k is moving with velocity v
>> along the x-axis of K.
>> Therefore
>>
>> x_0 (= zero spot of K) and xsi_0 (zero spot of k) are related as
>>
>> x_0 +v*t=xsi_0
>
> No, this is false. You seem to be stuck at an elementary school level
> of the meaning of coordinates.
>
> According to your definitions  x_0 = 0  and  ksi_0 = 0.  Your equations would
> then imply the nonsensical one:  vt = 0.

No.

A scalar 'scales'. The unit vector of the corresponding coordinate 
system is multiplied by that scalar and out comes the corresponding 
coordinate, here in the x/xsi direction.

But the coordinate system is not the same, hence we have different 
coordinates in K for x=0 then what we have in k for xsi=0.

The difference is, of course, v*t.


> I've already explained twice before what the correct equation is which
> describes the given light source and mirror situation. It yields Einstein's
> equation which is likewise correct.


After a number of messages exchanged with JanPB, we came to the result, 
that a mirror stationary in k at same distance to xsi_0 on the xsi-axis 
would be a valid assumption for the intended setting.

These two items move with constant distance along the x/xsi-axis into 
the direction of higher xsi-values.

This 'tandem' is observed from the zero spot of K, which moves with 
velocity v relative to the system into the negative direction with -v*t.

But none of Einstein's equations would fit to that setting.

Instead of a coordinate transformation he developed an obscure partial 
differential equation, which I think is faulty and which I'm unable to 
associate with the setting from above.

I have complained about this point several times, too.

But apparently you know how to derive Einstein's equation. So, please 
let me know, how that works.


...


TH

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    Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-05 09:02 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-12 21:05 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-13 08:41 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-14 19:29 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-15 08:50 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-19 08:39 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-20 09:17 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-05-20 15:10 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-21 08:38 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-09 07:20 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 03:04 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-09 10:14 +0300
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-09 00:25 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-18 15:54 +0300
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-05-18 06:17 -0700
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-05-19 08:57 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-05-19 11:42 +0300
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