Re: Floppies

From	Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	Re: Floppies
Date	2025-09-15 00:53 -0400
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On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 14:02:32 +1000, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org>
wrote:

>On 15/09/25 13:32, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-09-15, Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2025 01:56:16 GMT, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 14 Sep 2025 23:06:44 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We used "disquete" in Spain. I am not sure what name we used while I was
>>>>> in Ottawa, probably floppy.
>>>>
>>>> In my experience in the US 5.25s were floppies and 3.5s were diskettes
>>>> usually. I'm perpetually confused over whether it's disk or disc. I don't
>>>> think I'm alone.
>>>
>>> My understanding was  (is?) that if it's magnetic it's a disk and if
>>> it's optical it's a disc.
>>>
>>> Strictly speaking
>>>
>>> 8"  = floppy
>>> 5¼" = mini-floppy
>>> 3½" = micro-floppy
>>>
>>> but in practice we (in South Africa) referred to the 5¼" ones as
>>> floppies and the 3½" ones as stiffies.
>>>
>>> And anything smaller than 8" was a "diskette".
>>
>> Eight-inchers were diskettes too.  At least according to IBM, who
>> used the term in all of their documentation (e.g. for the 3740).
>
>Yes. "Proper" disks were the size of dinner plates (and a lot heavier),
>and could hold something like one megabyte of data.

My first programming job, 1968, was on an IBM 1130, with two 
(external) disks and 16K of 16 bit words.  Or maybe that was 8K -- 
I seem to remember that only about 4K was available for program 
space if system routines for I/O were called and therefore loaded. 

The 2315 disk for the IBM 1130 was 15 inches -- serving plate 
rather than dinner plate, recording on both surfaces.  The casing 
was 1 3/8 inches thick (dimensions from the Wiki article on IBM 1130).
Picture:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_1130#/media/File:Disk_Cartridge_2315_type.jb.jpg

(Wiki, "IBM 360) The bigger, more commercial IBM 360 had thicker
"disk packs" -- the 2316 had 6 platters inside, using 10 surfaces, 
for a total of about 5 megabytes depending on formatting. 

We wrote several simple statistics program in Fortran IV  (subset). 
Our research data was all numeric, so we were able to compress
4 numbers (0-15) into each 16-bit word. Even after compressing, 
we had one data file that was larger than one megabyte. One
solution, which didn't work well for other reasons, was to read to 
End-of-File and PAUSE so the operator could switch disks and
clue to start reading the file again:  the data disks were bare of 
anything except the single file starting at the same location on 
each disk. 

We did weeks of programming to achieve, mostly, tabulations
that, 5 or so years later, any informed user of SPSS or BMDP 
or SAS could set up and KEYPUNCH within an hour. 

-- 
Rich Ulrich

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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:08 +0000
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:42 +0000
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                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 16:51 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-15 16:23 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-15 06:07 +0100
                Re: Floppies Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2025-09-15 07:43 +0100
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                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-15 09:47 +0200
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 21:24 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-15 22:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies Øyvind Røtvold <orotvold@gmail.com> - 2025-09-16 17:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 19:33 +0000
                Re: Floppies Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2025-09-16 14:38 -0700
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 17:06 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-16 06:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-16 06:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 09:58 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-16 11:38 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-16 17:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-16 20:34 +0200
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-16 20:35 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 18:47 -0400
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 13:42 -0600
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-17 10:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 02:51 +0000
                Readability of source code (was: Re: Floppies) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:51 +0100
                Re: Readability of source code ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-09-17 11:16 +0000
                Re: Readability of source code lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-17 10:56 -0600
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-16 23:16 -0600
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-17 08:13 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 19:49 +0000
                Re: Floppies Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2025-09-17 11:47 -0700
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-18 09:23 +1000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 16:00 -0700
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 03:23 +0000
              Re: Floppies Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-15 09:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 19:40 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 22:13 +0200
              Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-15 10:19 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies peter london <peterlondon@chimia.se> - 2025-09-15 21:40 +0200
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-15 23:10 +0000
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-19 20:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-19 23:04 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-20 12:39 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 20:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:37 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 06:26 +0000
                Re: Floppies Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-09-20 12:15 +0200
                Re: Floppies Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-20 14:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 16:27 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 17:46 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 11:12 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 18:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:28 -0700
                Re: Floppies Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 19:05 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:41 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:00 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 18:22 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-20 20:54 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 20:12 +0000
          Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-14 18:16 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 20:16 +0000
        Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-14 17:28 -0400
  Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> - 2025-09-14 17:58 +0000
    Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-14 23:02 +0000
      Re: Microsoft Is Abandoning Windows 11 SE rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:44 +0000

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