Re: The Secret of a Successful Programming Language?

From	Hugh Aguilar <hughaguilar96@yahoo.com>
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Subject	Re: The Secret of a Successful Programming Language?
Date	2012-07-27 15:25 -0700
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On Jul 27, 2:44 pm, Bernd Paysan <bernd.pay...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Hugh Aguilar wrote:
> > I read a book: "You are not a gadget" (Jaron Lanier). He is
> > unimpressed with computer people. He points out that the two big
> > applications today are Wikipedia and Linux --- but both encyclopedias
> > and Unix are 1970s technology --- he sees a lack of innovation here,
> > in that we are using our high-tech computers to emulate what was
> > commonplace 40 years ago. Good point!
>
> Hm, I think the problem is something else here: Linux and Wikipedia are
> *populare*, because they are old hat.  We have this thing with users and
> inertia, and what it does is to conserve structures and methods.  People
> have used Unix for 40 years now, they continue to do so.  And they have
> used encylopedias for much longer.  The technology of Wikipedia is a
> Wiki, and that is 1990s technology, the most well-known Wikipedia-like
> technology mentioned in the late 1970s was the Hitch Hiker's Guide to
> the Galaxy.

The difference between encyclopedias in the old days, and Wikipedia,
is that in the old days the writers were expected to have at least a
modicum of expertise on the subject that they were writing about. Now
any idiot can edit a Wikipedia page, and most do. Wikipedia is
promoting a troll culture in which everybody gets to be an instant
expert on every subject, so long as they can get their fellow trolls
who are equally ignorant to back them up. It reminds me of the "Last
Man" that we were warned about in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra," who makes
small of everything and believes in nothing, except the wisdom of the
crowd. We have gone downhill since the 1970s, and I predict that this
trend will continue.

It has been said that if you put a million monkeys to work tapping on
a million keyboards, they would eventually produce something
meaningful. Now, thanks to the internet, we know that this isn't true.

> Jaron Lanier is also completely wrong: The by far most popular open
> source applications are the LAMP environment (Linux, Apache, MySql,
> PHP), plus the browsers, which base on three open source projects:
> ...

LAMP etc. is a tool. Lanier was talking about applications.

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