Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
Date	2024-12-20 22:21 +0100
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On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 01:31:30 -0500, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>
>>    It's the 'hand-wave' thing that sunk the first AI paradigm.
>>    Marv Minsky (who posted on usenet for awhile) and friends saw how
>>    easily 'decisions' could be done with a transistor or two and assumed
>>    it would thus be easy to build an AI. AC Clarke used the Minsky
>>    optimism when fashioning the idea of "HAL".
>
> Minsky threw a wrench in the works with his 9169 'Perceptrons'. He had
> tried to implement B. F. skinner's operant condition with a analog lashup
> that sort of worked if the vacuum tubes didn't burn out. Rosenblatt has
> built a 'Perceptron' and Minsky pointed out original design couldn't
> handle an XOR. That sent research down another rabbit hole.
>
> By the '80s the original perceptron had evolved into a multilayer network
> train by back propagation. When I played around with it 'Parallel
> Distributed Processing' by Rumelhart and McClelland was THE book.
>
> https://direct.mit.edu/books/monograph/4424/Parallel-Distributed-
> Processing-Volume
>
> The ideas were fascinating but the computing power wasn't there. Most of
> what I learned then is still relevant to TensorFlow and the other neural
> network approaches except now there are the $30,000 Nvidia GPUs to do the
> heavy lifting.
>
> The '80s neural networks weren't practical so the focus shifted to expert
> systems until they petered out. The boom and bust cycles led to the term
> 'AI Winter'
>
> https://www.techtarget.com/searchenterpriseai/definition/AI-winter
>
> I think something worthwhile will come from this cycle but ultimately it
> won't be the LLMs that are getting all the hype.

I wonder if not facebook, open sourcing their llm threw quite a wrench in 
the Open AI machinery this time.

Open AI:s ai is stagnating, and I think perhaps the development of the 
open source models will be good enough so that open ai might not be able 
to recoup all the massive amounts of money that has been invested in them.

Then another ai winter, and after that, our dear llms might be ready for 
prime time!

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Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-13 11:09 +0100
  Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-13 11:25 +0000
    Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 11:36 +0100
      Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 13:32 +0000
        Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 19:11 +0100
          Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-14 19:02 +0000
            Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-14 23:15 +0100
              Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 02:16 +0000
                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-12-15 11:42 +0100
                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-15 12:56 +0000
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                Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-12-15 18:41 +0000
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