Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?

Subject	Re: Remember "Bit-Slice" Chips ?
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Date	2024-12-23 01:34 -0500
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On 12/22/24 6:22 AM, D wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sun, 22 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
> 
>> On 12/21/24 6:25 AM, D wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Dec 2024, 186282@ud0s4.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/20/24 4:22 PM, D wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Dec 2024 10:57:38 +0100, D wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But now we have LLM:s!  What I find interesting is how different 
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> view them. I find the free ones you can play with online to be
>>>>>>> incredibly boring. I use them as a kind of search engine on 
>>>>>>> steroids for
>>>>>>> stuff that is not important (for entertainment purposes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brave added one to the search engine but I turned it off. Might as 
>>>>>> well go
>>>>>> straight to reddit which seems to be heavily mined.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the thing. LLM:s for me, are good at summarizing articles, 
>>>>> so instead of being "ai" they are just a nice complement to 
>>>>> searching, and as long as they work and don't hallucinate, they 
>>>>> save me some clicks. That's about it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and writing government policy documents. When doing that, their 
>>>>> hallucinations are actually an asset! ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Ha Ha Ha - SO true there :-)
>>>>
>>>>  Anyway, as I say elsewhere, LLMs are just PART of
>>>>  'intelligence'. OTHER parts need to be spliced in.
>>>>  Brains are just WEIRD ... 600+ million years of
>>>>  field-tested neural insanity.
>>>>
>>>>  However, somewhere in there - early - "ME-ism"
>>>>  emerged. There's some neat-o trick to that which
>>>>  we haven't yet grasped. We're not thinking quite
>>>>  right about 'self'. I think THAT is the basic
>>>>  paradigm and then you add more IQ and such ONTO it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could you please expand on the me-ism part? I have certainly not 
>>> detected any me-isms and that is why I find them so boring. Give me 
>>> volition, initiative  and desperate attempts to stop me from deleting 
>>> them, then we're on to something!
>>
>>  What, the "Me, Myself and I" thing ?
>>
>>  It's the realization, however dim, that I am an
>>  autonomous unit. I am not that rock. I am not
>>  that tree. I am not that OTHER DAMNED IGUANA
>>  that's wandered into MY territory. There's ME,
>>  and everything else.
>>
>>  In an odd sense it's anti-Buddhist.
>>
>>  SO FAR I don't really see that in any of the
>>  AI models. They're well-perfected REACTION
>>  but there's still nobody home.
>>
>>  We're missing something.
>>
>>  At this time, that MAY be a good thing.
>>
> 
> Ahh ok, got it! Yes, not a lot of "me" going on there for sure.


   There's SOME sort of 'mirror' thing involved here - act,
   observe, acted upon, observe, feel. Soon 'ME' evolves as
   a sort of emergent property or you die.

   When every Nvidia chip in the world suddenly goes
   red-line then we'll know some "Me" has come into
   being - inspection, introspection, layers and
   layers, deeper and deeper  :-)

   As said, LLMs are now excellent examples of REACTION,
   but they're still missing The Thing even lizards,
   chickens and some bugs seem to possess - there's
   no "I Am" in there.

   Some ARE now giving Chat and friends limited "bodies"
   and senses. Dunno if the models support "Me" even
   with that - but it seems a critical thing.

   Oh, is 'animal' "ME" the ONLY kind of "ME" ? This
   seems a cool question.

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