Re: Major Crashing!

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Major Crashing!
Date	2016-10-13 00:11 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Message-ID	<e681qdFkhfU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
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On 2016-10-12, gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> wrote:
> Okay, got off easy yesterday with none.
>
> Today I got bit at around 10:37 a.m.  

It would be helpful to know:

What were you doing when you first noticed the problem?

What apps were you running at the time? 

How busy was the CPU?

Which apps were using the most CPU at the time?

You can find details about these in /Applications/Utilities/Activity
Monitor. If the hangs happen frequently, you can just leave it running
in preparation.

> This, followed by a clown-car of activity.

Do you mean that actions you took (clicks, typing) while the hang was
happening finally got processed in short succession once the hang was
over? That's what it sounds like, but it's hard to tell by your wording.

> While it remained locked I fetched a USB keyboard which took a few
> minutes, plugged it in, found it too would not work. Then rebooted,
> remembered I was advised to try a nvram reset, so once up, I tried to
> restart and reboot anew. 

So you rebooted *twice* after the initial hang?

> Inexplicable problems with programs that wouldn't quit, had to be
> force-quit and then a beachball refusing activit of all kind it took
> another two minutes or more before I could reboot.

Are you saying the above happened *after* you had rebooted once or
twice?

> The sys.log [below for ease of reading notes] has nothing at 10:37,
> but has plenty relating to GoogleSoftwareUpdateAgent, and many more
> like it relating to GoogleSoftwareUpdate.

Some questions:

Which Google software packages do you have installed on this computer?

Which of those apps were running at the time of the hang?

> Little Snitch disallows any outgoing callas to Google Software Update
> and to GoogleSoftwareUpdateDaemon.  

That would mean each time GoogleSoftwareUpdate attempts to connect to
Google, the connection will sit and spin and eventually time out,
potentially causing problems with related Google apps. Have you
considered disabling (removing) GoogleSoftwareUpdate from the system?:

<https://raamdev.com/2008/howto-remove-google-software-update-on-mac-os-x/>

> Which reminds me of a question.  Why does seemingly 90% of my programs
> want to chat with google-analytics, and can't I refuse them all
> without issue?

Which programs, specifically?

-- 
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JR

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Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 14:44 -0700
  Re: Major Crashing! Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-09 22:57 +0000
  Re: Major Crashing! Michael Vilain <mev94303y@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-09 16:43 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 16:50 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2016-10-10 09:11 +0200
    Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-09 16:56 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-10 00:20 +0000
        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:42 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 00:48 +0000
            Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 22:22 -0700
              Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 05:36 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! befr@eaglesoft.de (Bernd Fröhlich) - 2016-10-11 08:26 +0200
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 15:54 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 07:57 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 15:54 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 16:51 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 11:14 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 18:18 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 12:27 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 19:39 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 14:38 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 22:11 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:37 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-11 17:35 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-11 22:49 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 00:27 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-12 05:50 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 12:10 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-12 17:19 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-11 23:24 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 12:13 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 11:12 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 00:11 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 19:16 -0700
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 15:44 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 13:33 -0700
      Re: Major Crashing! Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> - 2016-10-09 20:46 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:45 -0700
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-10 17:53 -0700
  Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 11:35 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 12:07 -0700
    Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 00:14 +0000
      Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-12 19:17 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 08:44 -0700
        Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-13 15:45 +0000
          Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 13:37 -0700
            Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 17:00 -0700
              Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-14 00:33 +0000
    Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 20:29 -0500
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        Re: Major Crashing! gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-13 08:33 -0700
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