Re: Major Crashing!

From	Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: Major Crashing!
Date	2016-10-12 17:19 +0000
Organization	People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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On 2016-10-12, Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote:
> On 10-12-2016 00:50, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote:
>>> On 10-11-2016 17:49, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> Happy.Hobo <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 10-11-2016 13:18, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> You tell me whether we can move on. The question of which logs were
>>>>>> created around the time of the event still stands.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't most logs added to frequently when computer is running, and
>>>>> especially during boot?
>>>>
>>>> The hang happens while the computer is running.
>>>
>>> But if it's hung, the only way to look at logs is kill power and reboot,
>>> thus writing to at least some of the logs.  system.log gets hundreds of
>>> lines during boot.
>>
>> So? Logs are time stamped. And the time of the hang is known. What's your
>> point?
>
> Didn't you tell OP to look in Finder for logs modified at the time of 
> the hang?  "created around the time of the event"?

Absolutely. And nothing is stopping him from doing just that.

> (After he complained that the lines in some of the logs were not
> time-stamped)

In each of those cases, the log file itself has a creation date. So
that's not a problem.

> My point is that they could be modified later, i.e., during the reboot
> and thus Finder wouldn't help.

That's incorrect because the Finder search I told him to do looks at the
*creation* date of the log file, and macOS doesn't modify hang/crash
logs once they are created. Also, every message in the system log is
time stamped. 

It seems you are trying to manufacture a problem where none exists.

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JR

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                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 12:10 -0500
                Re: Major Crashing! Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-12 17:19 +0000
                Re: Major Crashing! "Happy.Hobo" <Happy.Hobo@Spam.Invalid> - 2016-10-12 13:36 -0500
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