Re: The joy of Democracy

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: The joy of Democracy
Date	2024-10-22 21:45 +0200
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On Tue, 22 Oct 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 22/10/2024 08:46, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024, Dave Yeo wrote:
>> 
>>> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:00:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I would say that they are capitalist grifters using social morality to
>>>>> justify what they do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Same as the whole West.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Socialism is the new opium of the people.
>>>> Wait ... socialism is actually “capitalist” now? Does that make it good 
>>>> or
>>>> bad?
>>> 
>>> There's always been socialism in the market economy working much like the 
>>> capitalists. Consider Credit Unions, socialist companies owned by their 
>>> members competing against capitalist banks. Various types of Co-op's too.
>>> It's always funny people like D who don't seem to have anything but 
>>> propaganda to inform them that socialism equals big government.
>>> Dave
>>> 
>> 
>> You have no clue about what sociaism or capitalism is. Credit unions are 
>> definitely not socialism and neither is a company owned by employees. In 
>> fact, what makes those two forms possible, is private property rights and 
>> capitalism. Nowhere does capitalism state that there can be only one 
>> individual owner.
>
> The mere fact that you both talk about socialism as the antithesis of 
> capitalism shows that wittingly or unwittingly you both have absorbed 
> implicitly the Marxist worldview.

The fact that you talk about Marxism shows that you have shifted the goal 
post. I am talking about socialism of which marxism is a subset.

> In reality the best companies are co-operative ventures between staff, 
> shareholders, and directors, in which oddly enough everyone contributes 
> according to his means.

My point exactly. Thank you. Although not everyone contributes according 
to his means. It's an imperfect world. Some contribute more some less, and 
of course there are single person companies and LLC who can very well be 
among the best.

All as it should be due to the plurality and experiment encouraged by the 
market.

> Unfortunately they seldom pay out according to agents needs, but hey, its 
> half the equation, right?
>
> But the point about Marxism is not that it identifies a solution through 
> revolutionary struggle towards Utopia,  but that it divides society neatly 
> into black hats and white hats, and sets up an eternal gunfight at the wall 
> street corral.

That goes for all isms looking to strengthen the in-group, and the expense 
of the out-group. See national socialism, religion, woke:ism etc.

> It is a purely destructive force. One that justifies a new elite far far 
> worse than the old as the apparatchiks bureaucrats and commissars in charge 
> of the moral compass of the nation, having usurped it from the priests, and 
> in charge of the capital wealth of the nation, having usurped it from the one 
> most competent in using it to generate wealth, can now oversee the descent of 
> the nation into 'the equal sharing of poverty'  - apart from the apparatchiks 
> who buy in all the Capitalist goods they cant make themselves for their 
> palaces and dachas.

Socialism is a very dangerous and destructive force. That is correct, and 
it must be fought again, and again, where ever it pops up.

> Or that was the way it used to be, before the Left became capitalists 
> themselves, and realised that the cost of buying enough politicians. 
> marketing people  and activists to pass laws and taxes to make something as 
> ridiculous as - say - windmills, a highly profitable investment, was vastly 
> preferable to the extremely hard and detailed engineering needed to build a 
> grid that actually worked using - say - nuclear power stations.
>
> In that sense the companies themselves have gone 'socialist' in that, like 
> Marx, they regard economics as a zero sum game.

Incorrect. By design they do what they do, and whether the economy is zero 
sum (it is not) or not, does not really apply. That is why todays 
crypto-socialist government is so extremely dangerous. It subverts and 
distorts the markets, just by existing.

> That is, it isn't about creating more wealth, it's about who gets to own what 
> there is left.

True.

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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 10:59 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 11:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 16:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 01:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 00:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 21:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-01 16:14 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 05:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 07:04 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-31 21:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 09:00 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 22:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 02:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 22:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 11:25 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-11-02 03:24 -0300
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-02 10:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-11-03 01:21 -0300
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 04:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-11-03 06:01 -0500
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:42 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-11-03 05:44 -0500
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 03:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-02 07:54 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-02 17:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:55 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 18:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:05 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:18 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:44 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:03 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:16 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:27 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:45 +0100
                Re: The joy of Atheism Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:13 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 00:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 08:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 12:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 19:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-10-31 12:42 -1000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 01:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 22:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:54 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy moi <findlaybill@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2024-10-29 19:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:51 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-27 18:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-27 09:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Mister Johnson <root@example.net> - 2024-10-26 11:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 22:07 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-26 20:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-25 22:12 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-25 22:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-26 12:22 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-23 21:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-24 10:09 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 09:38 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-10-22 10:01 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-22 12:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 17:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 01:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-23 02:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-24 00:38 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-22 22:40 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-17 22:24 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-17 22:22 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 21:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-18 10:14 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-17 10:16 +0200
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 00:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 00:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:30 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 03:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 05:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-20 19:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 01:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2024-10-21 06:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-21 07:11 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-21 12:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-21 10:00 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-21 16:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-21 13:28 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Video Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Video Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Video rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 19:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-21 19:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-21 20:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 23:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-21 23:25 +0000
                Re: 99 bottles of booze on the wall, was The joy of Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-21 23:43 +0000
                The joy of the metric system Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-10-21 16:28 -0400
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 21:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-21 23:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 23:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 00:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 01:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 05:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 11:14 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-23 03:54 +0000
                Re: vive la whatever, The joy of Democracy John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> - 2024-10-22 01:17 +0000
                Re: vive la whatever, The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-22 06:14 +0000
                Re: vive la whatever, The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 11:14 -0700
                Re: vive la whatever, The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-22 09:58 +0200
                Re: vive la whatever, The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-22 11:14 -0700
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-22 09:43 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-22 20:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of SI Units Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-22 22:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of SI Units Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-23 00:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-22 22:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy p.dean@invalid.net (Peter Dean) - 2024-10-23 03:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-23 00:49 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-20 10:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-20 21:59 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-21 11:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-21 21:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 21:34 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 18:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 01:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-20 05:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-20 12:04 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-19 10:26 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 18:53 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-10-19 17:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy David LaRue <huey.dll@tampabay.rr.com> - 2024-10-19 17:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 18:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 01:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-20 10:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 16:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-19 19:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-18 18:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN songbird <songbird@anthive.com> - 2024-10-19 11:01 -0400
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 21:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-19 17:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-18 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 21:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-10-17 13:09 -0700
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 22:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-17 22:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of FORTRAN Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-17 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 01:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 03:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-18 04:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-18 05:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 03:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-19 05:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 11:14 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-19 19:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-19 22:11 +0200
                Re: The joy of Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-20 02:06 +0000

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