Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy
Date	2024-11-03 11:24 +0100
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On Sun, 3 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 02/11/2024 21:01, D wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 2 Nov 2024, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> 
>>> On 02/11/2024 10:40, D wrote:
>>>> I'd like the experience of crossing the ocean to be more like a cruise 
>>>> ship. It might take 1 to 3 days or so, but you could walk around, and 
>>>> enjoy a Michelin star restaurant on board.
>>> 
>>> Not in an airship. What you want is a nuclear powered passenger liner.
>>> 
>>> Weight no problem. Massive horsepower no problem. Should be able to cruise 
>>> over 50mph.
>>> 
>>> So probably 2 days to make the trip.
>> 
>> If you have the money, let's do it! ;) How does the economics of nuclear 
>> powered vs diesel powered look?
>
> Oh, its competitive. Once the reactor is built, fuel costs are trivial., Its 
> all cost of capital and maintenance. Its possible that the reactor might have 
> a 'lifetimes supply' of fuel from the get go.
>
> The real problem is international anti-nuclear outcries . US built a ship - 
> the NS (nuclear ship) Savannah - but many people would let it dock. It wasn't 
> cost competitive then, due mainly to its novelty and the need for specialist 
> crew that needed training, but with today's oil prices it would be.
>
> One of the advantages of nuclear is that fuel costs are so small as to be 
> irrelevant that the highest feasible speed is also the most profitable, 
> allowing more passenger miles per year, which means  a better return on 
> investment the faster it goes.
>
> Russia has a lot (7 IIRC)  of nuclear powered icebreakers. So the technology 
> exists.
> And nuclear submarines account for around 400 estimated nuclear vessels, and 
> the US has aircraft carriers and other craft powered that way.
>
> The UK is also interested...
>
> https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/articles/british-navy-considers-nuclear-powered-surface-ships
>
>
> ...This is a neat report on the economics of nuclear powered bulk carriers.
>
> https://world-nuclear-news.org/articles/new-study-considers-nuclear-powered-bulk-carriers
>
> Like nuclear reactors for big data. the interest in nuclear ships is coming 
> from people with deep enough pockets to buy political support.
>
> That offsets the political support for green tech bought by equally deep 
> pocketed renewable interests.
>
> I put some thoughts down on paper on this some years back.
>
> Nuclear powered electric trains doing 200mph+ would be faster than aircraft 
> inside the USA because of the lower time spent in the ground access the 
> aircraft - driving parking security etc etc.
>
> Nuclear powered ships wont break any speed records, but with fuel prices 
> likely to escalate, a more likely outcome is that if you really need a face 
> to face with someone the other side of the world, use whatsapp, but if you 
> want to physically get there, have a leisurely 3-4 day trip. In comfort.
>
> Using physical packet switched technology on railways (every parcel or box 
> has a barcoded 'packet protocol' address) and packets and parcels are 
> automatically sorted by routers onto next hop railway destinations, with the 
> final 10 miles being done by electric vehicles..
>
> These are the 'we've run out of cheap  diesel, gas  and AvJet' technologies 
> that could all work.
>
> I suspect this will all come to pass because it is inevitably the best way to 
> do stuff in a post fuel world.
>
> Bit by bit as the market dictates.
>
> Nuclear ships are absolutely on the cards right now. Bean counters are 
> counting, and coming up full of  beans.
>
> Ditto for small reactors powering data centres, especially in colder parts of 
> the world where  the waste heat would be valued and the thermal efficiency 
> slightly higher.
>
> It is pointless to wait for governments. But it is fortunate that serious 
> money needs serious power and has determined that renewables are as much use 
> as a wet fart in a desert when it comes to reliable 24x7 power.

It is as I always say... when politics and reality collide, reality always 
wins in the end. The chinese communist party accepted the market, because 
they had to.

I wonder if ships would be a good fit for a smallr SMR-reactor, that is 
welded shut with all the fuel for its lifetime? I also wonder what the 
environmental effects would be if such a ship would sink and the outer 
layer would slowly corrode and break down. On the other hand, the ocean is 
big, so any potential leakes would probably be absorbed without any effect 
at all. Add to that the fact that sunk cargo/cruise ships in todays 
world seems to be pretty rare.

When it comes to trains, just imagine a global vacuum tunnel system with 
trains reaching every country on the planet without any sonic boom! 
Completely unfeasible economically at present I guess, but a fun idea I 
read in some science fiction book from the goldenera of science fiction.

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                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:10 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 21:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-10 12:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-11 01:56 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 12:26 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-12 18:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-14 11:50 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-15 08:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy maus <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-15 15:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-15 20:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-11 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-11 22:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 19:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 20:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:41 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 10:13 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 18:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-13 06:52 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-12 21:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 08:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 09:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-13 12:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-14 08:02 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-13 23:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-13 23:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-14 11:50 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-13 13:32 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-14 00:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-13 10:13 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 20:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 09:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 19:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:15 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 23:20 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of LibreOffice Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-11-09 03:12 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 15:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 18:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-08 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 01:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:06 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:08 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:50 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 22:00 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Pancho <Pancho.Jones@proton.me> - 2024-11-10 09:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:23 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 23:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:18 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 18:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-10 19:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 22:17 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:22 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-12 10:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 11:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 07:35 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy maus <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-11 20:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 15:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-11 17:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-11 22:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 15:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 21:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:11 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 21:58 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-10 02:09 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-10 11:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-11-10 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 05:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 06:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 14:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-09 13:09 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-09 20:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-10 14:08 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-10 23:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 00:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-11 20:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-11 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-12 02:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-12 05:39 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:53 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 08:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 10:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-12 09:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-12 18:38 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2024-11-12 20:32 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-13 10:14 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 03:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-09 06:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 19:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-11-08 00:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 15:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 09:55 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-11-07 21:27 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-07 22:48 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 11:40 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 20:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-07 17:57 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-08 01:38 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-08 02:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-08 16:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-10 01:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-10 10:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy William <maus@deb.org> - 2024-11-10 15:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> - 2024-11-11 13:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-11 14:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-11 11:19 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-08 14:26 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 21:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-05 06:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of Economics D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-05 11:02 +0100
                Re: The joy of Economics The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-05 14:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-29 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-29 20:00 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-29 20:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-29 21:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-30 00:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 10:59 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 11:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-30 18:33 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-30 21:39 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 16:24 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-30 21:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:56 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 00:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 01:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-10-31 02:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Civilization Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Civilization Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:55 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-10-31 17:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:20 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of Technology Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 20:59 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Technology Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:28 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-06 18:31 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-07 03:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-07 10:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "186282@ud0s4.net" <186283@ud0s4.net> - 2024-10-31 00:25 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 10:25 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 09:43 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-10-31 18:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-10-31 21:21 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 00:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-01 10:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:29 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-01 16:14 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 05:48 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 06:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 08:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Warfare Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 09:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 11:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 12:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:46 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-03 19:16 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-04 06:57 -0500
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-03 12:49 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:53 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 07:04 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-10-31 21:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-11-01 09:00 +1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-10-31 22:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 02:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 04:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 04:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of Aotearoa rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@alfter.diespammersdie.us (Scott Alfter) - 2024-11-01 17:41 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 19:02 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:24 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:43 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:31 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:25 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 22:07 +0100
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 22:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:22 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:54 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:37 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 13:21 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 17:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-04 18:01 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-05 03:36 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 18:46 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:05 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 11:25 -1000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:51 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-04 00:35 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-03 08:52 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 19:23 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-03 21:50 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 23:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-04 10:12 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lars Poulsen <lars@cleo.beagle-ears.com> - 2024-11-04 01:19 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-04 04:57 +0000
                Re: The joy of Insurance Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-04 05:11 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:07 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-11-02 03:24 -0300
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-11-02 10:30 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-11-03 01:21 -0300
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 04:42 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-11-03 06:01 -0500
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-03 10:42 -1000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2024-11-04 03:21 -1000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> - 2024-11-03 05:44 -0500
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 21:10 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2024-11-04 13:21 -0700
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:15 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-02 21:29 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 23:47 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 00:17 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: The joy of Engine-Cars rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-03 03:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2024-11-01 13:58 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-01 16:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2024-11-02 07:54 -0400
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2024-11-02 17:44 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 19:14 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:32 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 01:08 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 10:36 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-01 18:06 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-11-01 20:45 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-01 22:34 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2024-11-02 01:04 +0000
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-11-02 11:40 +0100
                Re: The joy of actual numbers, was Democracy The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2024-11-02 11:21 +0000

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