Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation)

From	Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk>
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Subject	Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation)
Date	2020-09-03 16:13 +0100
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André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> writes:

> Do you actually have any grasp of what the halting problem actually
> *is*?

I am no longer sure myself.  He answers most "do you know what X is"
questions by cutting and pasting text from other sources which he may
well not understand.  For example, for a very long time (several years)
he refused to confirm that every instance of the halting problem had a
correct yes/no answer.

> You claim to have created two 'Turing Machines' (though they aren't
> actually Turing Machines) which correspond to Linz's H and Ĥ.

In fact he claimed to have "exactly and precisely the Peter Linz H and
Ĥ", which would seem to be unambiguous, but that was immediately
followed by this mysterious text: "with H actually deciding input pair:
(Ĥ, Ĥ) on the basis of Ĥ actually deciding itself".

This took some time to decode (and I had help!):

He does not claim to have a halting decider, as that informal term is
usually used, despite endless reference to "my H is Linz's H".  Also, he
misuses the term "halting decider", so all sentences with "halting
decider" in them are suspect.

The impossibility of his claim stems only from the relationship between
the two TMs.  He claimed to have two TMs related to each other by the
"hat" construction in Linz such that P(<[P^], [P^]>) is correct.  (Here,
[M] is the encoding of TM M, <x, y> is the encoding of a pair of strings
and M(s) is the result of running M on the input string s.  I've failed
in getting PO to use a notation that shows the details.)

> Linz's H is (ex hypothesi) a Turing Machine that can determine whether
> *any* Turing Machine can halt. It doesn't decide halting for some
> particular case. It decides halting for *every* possible case.

But there are "interesting" single cases -- interesting in the sense of
impossible!  (I hope you forgive the rather basic level of the following
explanation.  I'm posting it only to put down a marker in the group
about what was once claimed.)

Whatever PO's TM P is, the computation encoded as <[P^], [P^]> certainly
either halts or it does not halt.  Obviously there is /some/ TM that
gets this one case right -- i.e. one that says "yes" or "no" as
appropriate -- but PO claims that P does!

The claim was that he had two "actual TMs, fully encoded", P and P^,
related to each other as per the construction first of P' from P and
then of P^ from P', but where P "gets the answer right" for <[P^],
[P^]>.  I.e.

  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = yes iff P^([P^]) halts
  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = no  iff P^([P^]) does not halt

But by construction, P^(s) behaves like P'(<s, s>) so we have

  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = yes iff P'(<[P^], [P^]>) halts
  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = no  iff P'(<[P^], [P^]>) does not halt

and from the construction of P' we have

  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = yes iff P(<[P^], [P^]>) does not halt
  P(<[P^], [P^]>) = no  iff P(<[P^], [P^]>) halts

Putting aside the way this construction is used in the usual proof, the
claim to have /any/ two related TMs that behave as above is clearly
"interesting".  It makes no difference what P is intended or designed to
do.  If P really is an actual TM that one can run, <[P^], [P^]> is a
perfectly well-defined string, so the computation really can be done
(though it may require unfeasible resources).  However, whatever
P(<[P^], [P^]>) actually does, it is wrong.

Of course, the claim has turned out to be a lie.  Rather than actual
Turing machines he has (or had) a "snippet of C-like code", and as a
result he will have had to interpret the H to H^ construction in this
C-like pseudo-code, and we all know how things turn out when PO
interprets technical things or "reduces them to their essence".

The upshot is that I don't think there as an "interesting"
(i.e. impossible) claim here at all.  It's vanished in amongst 20 months
of misdirection.

But we'll never see what he had, and what he now has will turn out to be
some grim pile of almost-x86 code that will be impossible to wade
through.  At least that's my guess for how he plans to hide the mistake
if, indeed, he every posts anything at all.

-- 
Ben.

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                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-21 19:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 03:06 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-21 21:19 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 19:47 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-21 22:00 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-21 20:12 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-21 22:22 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-21 22:19 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 11:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 10:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 22:24 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 17:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-22 23:36 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 18:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 02:04 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 22:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 00:03 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 13:00 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 08:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 16:42 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 11:33 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 22:14 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 16:47 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-24 01:38 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 21:27 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-23 21:22 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 23:54 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-24 00:05 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-24 18:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-25 01:59 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-24 20:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-24 21:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-25 03:54 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 01:38 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-25 03:37 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 09:55 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 08:34 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 11:06 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 10:28 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 12:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-25 12:30 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 13:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:50 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 15:14 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:29 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 14:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 12:54 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 15:27 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 13:38 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 16:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-25 23:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 18:01 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-25 17:07 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 20:07 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 16:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:40 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 18:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:31 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 19:52 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 03:37 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 22:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 12:58 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 09:38 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 17:36 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 12:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 20:43 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 15:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 22:40 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Alan Smaill <smaill@SPAMinf.ed.ac.uk> - 2020-08-26 18:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 12:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 19:41 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 14:03 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 21:17 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 15:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-26 22:37 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 16:47 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 15:41 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 18:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-26 17:32 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 19:59 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (Chris Rock Speaks for God) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-26 20:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 10:25 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 09:39 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:25 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 10:42 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:59 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 11:45 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-28 17:52 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 12:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 11:19 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-28 12:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-28 22:34 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 03:06 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 08:27 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 07:44 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 09:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-29 08:58 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 10:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 07:38 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Turing Equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 11:11 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 10:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 17:47 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 12:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 14:01 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 20:03 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 14:48 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 21:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 16:00 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 23:32 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 18:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 02:24 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 21:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 23:15 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 22:57 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-29 22:13 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-08-29 23:27 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 03:27 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 16:26 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 23:53 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 18:33 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 02:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-29 21:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Can "C" be made Turing complete?) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 15:38 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 11:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-30 20:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 14:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 14:37 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 13:10 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 15:19 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) David Kleinecke <dkleinecke@gmail.com> - 2020-08-30 14:22 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 16:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 02:48 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 02:08 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 09:49 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 13:59 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 16:13 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 15:24 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 19:26 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 21:37 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-31 23:56 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 23:10 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 02:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-09-01 02:02 +0000
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 03:16 +0100
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-09-01 02:29 +0000
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-31 08:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-01 00:04 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 09:55 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 12:03 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-03 06:12 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 09:46 -0500
                Re: Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) - 2020-09-03 14:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-03 21:28 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 16:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-03 23:20 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 17:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-04 01:56 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 20:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 20:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-04 02:47 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 21:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 03:52 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:15 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 05:14 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 23:37 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 15:28 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 16:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-03 16:13 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 12:05 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 02:50 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 22:02 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 05:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-03 23:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 11:48 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 08:41 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 17:04 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 11:36 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 22:29 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-09-04 14:42 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 22:53 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 17:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 02:25 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 20:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:58 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-05 17:59 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 20:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-04 22:50 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 09:49 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 09:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 11:03 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 11:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 10:40 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 12:12 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 11:42 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 13:17 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 12:33 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 14:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 16:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 15:31 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 17:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-05 23:01 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-05 17:52 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-05 21:12 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 02:32 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:08 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 21:49 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> - 2020-09-06 04:35 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 22:50 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 22:58 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 08:47 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 11:42 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 11:43 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:04 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 16:07 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 15:14 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 21:42 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 16:16 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 14:18 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 13:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 12:59 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 14:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 13:37 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 14:44 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-06 14:02 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 15:22 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 17:02 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 16:22 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 18:19 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 17:39 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 20:23 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 20:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 21:51 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 21:10 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-07 00:59 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 21:02 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-09-06 22:51 -0400
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-06 22:10 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:29 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:52 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 00:05 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 15:28 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:09 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:40 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-06 02:25 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-04 22:45 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 00:06 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 00:03 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 09:20 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 09:34 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 11:32 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-09-05 10:48 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-05 12:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-05 23:18 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 08:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-04 17:11 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 11:39 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2020-09-03 22:44 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) red floyd <no.spam.here@its.invalid> - 2020-09-04 11:09 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (HP refutation Sufficiency Specs) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-04 13:34 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 00:23 +0100
                Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 19:17 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2020-08-31 09:59 +0100
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-31 08:47 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 09:58 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-09-03 03:37 +0100
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 21:50 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 22:04 -0500
                Re: Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 007 [Mapping x86 to Turing Equivalent] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-09-02 22:30 -0500
                Re: Simply defining G"odel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) R Kym Horsell <kym@kymhorsell.com> - 2020-08-31 02:16 +0000
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V52 (Machine equivalence) Richard Damon <Richard@Damon-Family.org> - 2020-08-30 20:43 -0400
                Transforming "C" into a Turing equivalent language 001 [Providing unlimited memory access to C] olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 20:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) André G. Isaak <agisaak@gm.invalid> - 2020-08-30 07:27 -0600
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V51 (Making "C" Turing equivalent) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-30 10:21 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-29 01:24 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V50 (Making "C" Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-25 14:51 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 10:18 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 17:51 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 12:29 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2020-08-23 22:12 +0100
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V47 (x86 really is Turing complete) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-23 16:23 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V37 (Turing complete) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 16:19 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 18:46 -0500
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> - 2020-08-22 17:55 -0700
                Re: Simply defining Gödel Incompleteness and Tarski Undefinability away V46 (Honest dialogue?) olcott <NoOne@NoWhere.com> - 2020-08-22 20:14 -0500

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