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Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!!

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!!
Date 2020-09-18 23:20 -0700
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Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:

> Leo <usenet@gkbrk.com> writes:
>
>> This is good news for those cross-compiling their software.  Not sure
>> how hopeful I am though, does MSVC even support C99 properly now?
>
> That won't ever happen.  C11 made VLAs optional and that cleared the way
> for MS to support later standards.

Do you know why Microsoft objected to VLAs?  I've searched the
web a bit but wasn't able to find anything with any real
substance.

> It's a shame, because the baby of variably modified array types was
> thrown out with the VLA bath water.  I don't think any of MS's
> objections apply to variably modified types in the absence of VLAs

I agree about variably modified types as contrasted with VLAs.
But I confess to being somewhat baffled by the reaction that VLAs
are a deal breaker.  Implementing VLAs shouldn't be that hard, if
one is willing to accept a minimally usable implementation.  So I
wonder what it was that Microsoft found so difficult to swallow.

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  Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Jens Stuckelberger <Jens_Stuckelberger@nowhere.net> - 2020-09-16 15:23 +0000
  Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 17:49 +0200
    Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-09-16 12:53 -0700
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          Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-09-19 06:54 +0200
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        Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 16:55 +0200
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              Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-09-20 20:40 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! BGB <cr88192@gmail.com> - 2020-09-20 19:39 -0500
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-09-21 09:20 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-09-21 11:25 +0100
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2020-09-21 14:27 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2020-09-21 22:24 -0700
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2020-09-22 08:49 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-09-21 15:09 +0200
                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Manfred <noname@add.invalid> - 2020-09-21 15:26 +0200
            Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-09-21 11:40 +0100
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                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-09-21 16:44 +0100
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                Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!! Bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2020-09-21 20:03 +0100
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