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Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!!

From Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com>
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
Subject Re: Microsoft Will now support C11 and C17 standard!!!!!!!!!!
Date 2020-09-18 23:59 -0700
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Keith Thompson <Keith.S.Thompson+u@gmail.com> writes:

> Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> writes:
>
>> Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> writes:
>>
>>> Leo <usenet@gkbrk.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> This is good news for those cross-compiling their software.  Not sure
>>>> how hopeful I am though, does MSVC even support C99 properly now?
>>>
>>> That won't ever happen.  C11 made VLAs optional and that cleared the way
>>> for MS to support later standards.
>>
>> Do you know why Microsoft objected to VLAs?  I've searched the
>> web a bit but wasn't able to find anything with any real
>> substance.
>
> The article at the top of this thread cited this article:
> https://devblogs.microsoft.com/cppblog/c11-and-c17-standard-support-arriving-in-msvc/
> which says:
>
>     Astute readers will note that VLAs are also not
>     supported.  Variable length arrays are generally less efficient
>     than comparable fixed sized arrays, and generally inefficient
>     compared to equivalent malloc(), when safely and securely
>     implemented.  VLAs provide attack vectors comparable to those
>     of the infamous gets() ? deprecated and destined to removal
>     ? for opportunities of ?shifting the stack?  and other
>     exploits.  For these reasons we intend not to support VLAs as
>     an optional feature in C11.

Ahh, that is helpful.  Thank you.

> (I'm not endorsing the claims in the article, just reporting them.)

Right.  What they say strikes me as somewhat bogus in places,
but that's their comments, not yours.

Thanks again for the citation.

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