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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime |
| Date | 2022-03-07 14:14 -0800 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <622683D7.2F87@ix.netcom.com> (permalink) |
| References | (7 earlier) <3639a5c2-a0d1-4e94-bac8-df22adc2b825n@googlegroups.com> <RWsVJ.23440$dS2.10835@fx11.ams4> <d403ef81-4424-405f-8f3f-96818e9cfa52n@googlegroups.com> <t05u6k$1tla$1@gioia.aioe.org> <1bb50c9f-5596-4f70-a93f-b7f43d92edd2n@googlegroups.com> |
patdolan wrote: > > On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 1:41:47 PM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > patdolan <patd...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > On Monday, March 7, 2022 at 11:21:25 AM UTC-8, Paul B. Andersen wrote: > > >> Den 06.03.2022 16:09, skrev Townes Olson: > > >>> On Sunday, March 6, 2022 at 5:10:21 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> And this is where you simply deny the pedagogical intent of the authors to > > >>>> focus on a single pair of events... > > >>> > > >>> That brain-dead book says "John and Mary each measure the lapse of time > > >>> between pen-spark and extinguisher-spark. They use accurate and fast > > >>> electronic clocks. John measures 33.690 nanosec and Mary measures > > >>> 33.0228 nanosec." Do you see? Based on this, can you blame Pat for > > >>> saying that John and Mary can each start their stopwatches at the > > >>> pen-spark and stop their stopwatches at the extinguisher-spark? Of > > >>> course, the first thing to note is that although Mary can do this > > >>> (because she is present at both sparks), John cannot, because John is > > >>> not present at the extinguisher spark. So... > > >> Exactly! That's why Pat can be blamed for being ignorant. > > >> > > >> The scenario is precisely defined in the book. > > >> It doesn't - in this scenario - explain what > > >> spacetime intervals are, or how to calculate them. > > >> This is explained later in the book. > > >> > > >> But Pat claims that he knows, and he chose the scenario > > >> in order to demonstrate that he even can prove that spacetime > > >> intervals are not invariant. > > >> > > >> Pat wrote: > > >> "At this event in spacetime, call it E0, both Mary and John > > >> start their stopwatches. Two meters away from John, as John > > >> measures the distance, another spark jumps from Mary's antenna > > >> to a fire extinguisher, call this E1, at which Both Mary and John > > >> stop their stopwatches." > > >> > > >> If Pat had known what a spacetime interval is, he would > > >> have known that the temporal interval only can be measured > > >> by clocks present at the events, and when the events are > > >> at different spatial points, that means two clocks. > > >> > > >> And Pat wrote: > > >> "Mary and John start their stopwatches at E0, just like on Monday. > > >> Mary stops her stopwatch at E1 after 3.85 nsec just like on Monday. > > >> John stops his stopwatch at E1 just like on Monday, after Mary has > > >> traveled the 1.0 m to the fire extinguisher. What! Only 1 m????" > > >> > > >> Pat does obviously not understand that there is no way > > >> John can start his stopwatch at E0 and stop it at E1. > > >> > > >> And it is obviously ridiculous to think that the spatial interval > > >> in John's rest frame can be measured in Mary's rest frame. > > >> > > >>> > > >>> To avoid being brain-dead, the book would need to explain what it means > > >>> for John to measure (with his accurate and fast electronic clock) a > > >>> lapse of time of 33.690 nanosec "between the sparks". ereby doubling > > >>> it's membership) are not helpful. > > >> > > >> The book explains that later. The problem is presented first, > > >> the solution later. > > >> > > >> You can't blame the book for Pat's ignorance. > > >> > > >> The point is that Pat claimed to know what spacetime interval is, > > >> and to know how to calculate the interval in different frames of > > >> reference, and he even claimed that he had proven that spacetime > > >> interval is not invariant. > > >> > > >> Pat has demonstrated that he is ignorant and therefore > > >> his calculations were nonsense. > > >> > > >> So what more is it to discuss? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Paul > > > > > > There is this more to discuss, Paul. Give this forum the page number and > > > problem number of an example where the calculation is performed correctly, in your opinion. > > Table 1-4, Section 2, Chapter 1, is a fine example of calculating the > > interval between the same pair of events from two different reference > > frames (John’s and Mary’s). This is followed by Sample Problem 1-1 in the > > same section, where the steps are walked through for a different set of > > numbers, but the same method. > > > > Can you read, Pat? What part of Table 1-4 are you finding hard to read? If > > your vision is blurred because of imbibing, at what hour do you think > > you’ll be able to focus your vision? > > > > That very example with its values is what I used in my demolition of the spacetime interval. I merely increased the relative velocity to .867c to get the rounding error out of the way. > > Give us another example Bodkin, if there is actually is in the entire remainder of the book. he's gotta check the solution manual first...if it's not in there..he's got no answer. Look at those airline pilots in the cockpit checking the solution manual right before they crash... "Oh oh, it's not in the manual!" > > > >> > > >> https://paulba.no/ > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 05:02 -0800
Can't fix cretin Pat Dolan "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 07:08 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 15:12 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 15:33 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 08:12 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 17:24 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 09:54 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 13:10 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 13:20 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 07:09 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 08:08 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 20:07 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 13:20 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-06 19:56 -0800
Imbecile Pat Dolan digs himself deeper "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 20:52 -0800
Re: Imbecile Pat Dolan digs himself deeper The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 09:20 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 21:08 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 04:30 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 06:43 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 09:13 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 11:57 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 13:38 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 09:08 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 18:02 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 13:21 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 06:50 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 09:28 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 18:04 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 10:35 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 19:49 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 11:47 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:01 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 12:10 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:26 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:29 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:17 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 13:56 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 22:21 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 16:07 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 00:52 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 18:44 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 14:06 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 06:59 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 07:30 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 15:44 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2022-03-08 12:23 +0100
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 13:59 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Prokaryotic Capase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 10:16 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 22:07 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-03-07 20:21 +0100
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 20:01 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 10:19 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 12:58 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 21:41 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-07 13:52 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 14:14 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 22:20 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 16:14 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 08:26 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 08:43 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 09:07 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 09:11 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 09:21 -0800
Cretin Pat Dolan perseveres "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 09:27 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 09:28 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 09:42 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 10:53 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 11:08 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 11:46 -0800
Cretin Pat Dolan at work "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 11:56 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 12:18 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work "Dono." <eggy20011951@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 12:22 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 13:17 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 14:10 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 14:36 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 14:59 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 15:23 -0800
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 12:08 +0000
Re: Cretin Pat Dolan at work Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 22:52 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 12:00 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 17:27 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 17:24 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 09:41 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 13:10 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 15:46 +0000
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime Townes Olson <townesolson7@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 07:53 -0800
Re: The Man Who Broke Spacetime patdolan <patdolan@comcast.net> - 2022-03-05 08:14 -0800
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