Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'

From	Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups	de.sci.physik
Subject	Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies'
Date	2020-12-20 11:33 +0100
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Kurt wrote:
> 
> Am 20.12.2020 um 01:35 schrieb Carla Schneider:
> > Kurt wrote:
> >>
> >> Am 19.12.2020 um 11:54 schrieb Carla Schneider:
> >>> Kurt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 19.12.2020 um 10:21 schrieb Carla Schneider:
> >>>>> Kurt wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Nachdem der Wagon am anderen Bahnhof angekommen ist, der Zug war mit
> >>>>>> mittlerer Geschwindigkeit unterwegs, wird die U2 mit der Bahnhofsuhr
> >>>>>> verglichen.
> >>>>>> Es stellt sich heraus das die U2 während der Fahrt mit ca. 80% getaktet hat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Damit sich das herausstellen kann brauchst du aber auch zwei Vergleiche mit "der Bahnhofsuhr"
> >>>>
> >>>> Dazu wurden zwei Fahrten gemacht, eine vom Bahnhof_A zum Bahnhof_B, dann
> >>>> vom Bahnhof_B zum Bahnhof_A
> >>>>
> >>>> Beidemale wurden die Stände der Bahnhofsuhr und der U2 notiert und dann
> >>>> am Ende der Fahrt ausgewertet.
> >>>> Die Fahrtrichtung spielte dabei keine Rolle, beidemale taktete die U2
> >>>> ca. 80% langsamer als die Bahnhofsuhren.
> >>>
> >>> Auf der U2 ist weniger Zeit vergangen als die Zeitdifferenz auf den Bahnhofsuhren,
> >>> und das fuehrt dann zu diesem Schluss.
> >>
> >> Es vergeht keine Zeit, es gibt keine.
> >> Die U2 hat im Mittel langsamer getaktet als wie wenn sie unbewegt
> >> gewesen wäre, heisst zum Gleis bzw. den Bahnhöfen ruhte.
> >>
> >> Sie taktet aber im Mittel mit ca 80%, und das unabhängig ob der Wagon
> >> vom Bahnhof_A oder vom Bahnhof_B abgefahren ist.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Wenn du aber einen Zug hast der so lang
> >>
> >> Haben wir aber nicht.
> > Das ist ein Gedankenexperiment, genau wie deines.
> 
> Da gibts also keinerlei Messungen oder Hinweise oder Sonstwas, dass das
> auch so stattfindet.

Sicher gibts die, aber eben nicht mit Zuegen und Bahnhoefen.
Die Konstanz der Lichtgeschwindigkeit in gleichfoermig bewegten Systemen ist experimentell
nachgewiesen, und daraus folgt die RT, und damit dass die Gedankenexperimente
richtig gemacht werden.

> 
> >
> >>
> >> Dasda haben wir:
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >> Und das wollen wir festschreiben.
> >>
> >> Als die U2 von M1 nach M2 fuhr wurden zwei Zeigerstände der U2
> >> festgehalten. Einer bei M1 und einer bei M2.
> >>
> >> Die U2 wendet und trifft nun wieder auf M2.
> >> Dort wird der nächste, also der dritte U2-Zeigerstand, erfasst und
> >> festgehalten.
> >> Die U2 erreicht nun nach der gleichen Zeitspanne die wie vorher M1, hier
> >> wird der vierte U2-Zeigerstandswert erfasst.
> >>
> >> Es stehen nun vier Zeigerstandswerte der U2 zur Verfügung.
> >> ---------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Im Mittel taktete die U2 mit ca. 80% der Bahnhofsuhren.
> >
> > Dann schreib doch auch wie du darauf kommst, die 4 Zeiten auf der U2 reichen dafuer nicht
> > aus, du musst auch die Bahnhofsuhren ablesen und dieses Zeiten verrechnen um auf eine % Zahl zu
> > kommen.
> >
> 
> Die U2 wird bei Beginn der Reise von Bahnhod zu Bahnhof gelesen und bei
> Ankunft auch wieder.

> Es zeigt sich dann das sie während der Fahrt mit ca. 80% getaktet hat.

Das hast du frei erfunden. Wahrscheinlich weisst du bis heute nicht wie 
man auf so einen % Wert kommt, obwohl ich es schon x mal erklaert habe.


> 
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Diese 80% setzen sich aus den 77% und den 83% zusammen die bei der U1
> >> festgestellt wurden als diese mit mittlerer Geschwindigkeit +- der
> >> Geschwindigkeit die die U2 auf der Plattform selber unterwegs war zusammen.
> >> Sowie mit der bei den jeweiligen Umkehrvorgängen auf der Plattform zusammen.
> >
> > Und wie rechnest du das aus ?
> 
> Differenz der ersten beiden Werte und Differenz der zweiten beiden Werte.
> Es stehen dann zwei Werte zur Verfügung, einer in Bewegungsrichtung der
> Plattform, einer entgegen der Bewegungsrichtung dieser.

So ist es, und die beiden Zeitdifferenzen sind gleich, unababhaenig davon
wie schnell die Plattform sich bewegt.

> 
> >
> >>
> >> Dadurch das pro Durchlauf vier Zeigerstände zur Verfügung stehen lässt
> >> sich erkennen ob die U2 auf der Plattform in Bewegungsrichtung der
> >> Plattform bewegt war oder gegen diese.
> >
> > Nein, das tut es nicht
> 
> Aber klar tut sie das.
Dann gib an wie mans macht.

> 
> > aber um das zu sehen muesstest du dir erst mal ueberlegen
> > was du messen musst um diese Werte zu berechnen.
> 
> Zwei Werte bei Bewegung der U2 auf der Plattform entgegen der
> Plattformbewegung.
> Zwei Werte bei Bewegung der U2 auf der Plattform in Plattformbewegung,
> 
> > Die 4 Zeiten der U2 sind dafuer nicht hinreichend,
> 
> Aber selbstverständlich sind sie das.
> 
> > zumal die beiden Zeitdifferenzen fuer die Strecken M1-M2 und M2-M1 gleich sind.
> >
> 
> Was die Erfassung der Differenzwerte vereinfacht.

Du hast gleichen Wert zweimal, er sagt dir was ueber die Strecke M1-M2 und die
Relativgeschwindigkeit der U2 relativ zu der Strecke.

> 
> Sind die beiden Differenzwerte gleich, ruht die Plattform.
> Sind sie unterschiedlich ist diese bewegt.

Die sind immer gleich egal wie schnell die Plattform sich bewegt.


> Am Unterschied lässt sich auch die Geschwindigkeit der Plattform
> feststellen.

Es gibt keinen Unterschied, die sind gleich.

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                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2021-01-02 17:10 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-02 17:22 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-02 18:29 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-02 19:01 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2021-01-03 17:36 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-03 17:47 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-04 10:17 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-04 10:20 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2021-01-06 21:32 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-07 09:05 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-07 09:08 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2021-01-08 14:32 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-08 14:36 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-08 16:00 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-08 16:03 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-08 16:09 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2021-01-08 18:02 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-08 19:49 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-08 21:05 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Dieter Heidorn <d.heidorn@t-online.de> - 2021-01-01 20:34 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2021-01-01 21:40 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2021-01-02 14:58 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-12-20 14:10 +0100
                Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2020-12-12 14:06 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2020-12-07 09:49 +0100
    Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-12-10 19:05 +0100
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-12 10:40 +0100
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-12-12 10:46 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2020-12-12 12:25 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-12-18 09:42 +0100
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2020-12-17 18:41 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2020-12-17 18:45 +0100
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-12-18 16:11 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-18 16:09 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-12-18 16:10 +0100
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2020-12-18 07:02 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2020-12-18 16:41 +0800
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-12-18 09:49 +0100
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2020-12-18 09:50 +0100
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-12-18 16:15 +0100
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Hermann Riemann <nospam.ng@hermann-riemann.de> - 2020-12-18 16:34 +0100
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Kurt <kurt.bindl@t-online.de> - 2020-12-18 16:40 +0100
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-18 23:42 +0100
              Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Takvorian <tak-us@gmx.de> - 2020-12-19 13:16 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2020-12-18 09:54 +0100
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2020-12-18 16:17 +0100
  Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2020-12-29 22:30 +0100
    Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-01-04 10:25 +0100
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-04 10:35 +0100
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Fritz - Till Eulenspiegel und Trollfuetterer <mogined@nurfuerspam.de> - 2021-01-04 11:49 +0100
      Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Carla Schneider <carla_sch@yahoo.com> - 2021-01-04 16:07 +0100
        Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-01-08 18:38 +0100
          Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2021-01-10 10:59 +0100
            Re: annotated version of 'On the electrodynamics of moving bodies' Sebastin Wolf <invaild@invaild.net> - 2021-01-10 11:04 +0100

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