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Re: Future of C

Subject Re: Future of C
Newsgroups comp.lang.c
References (13 earlier) <tmhkne-4af.ln1@gangtai.grep.be> <p88thk$6ce$1@dont-email.me> <lpUpC.8300$TP2.7319@fx01.am4> <aHWpC.1018$e52.173@fx25.am4> <lnin9zac9s.fsf@kst-u.example.com>
From bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
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Date 2018-03-13 22:25 +0000

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On 13/03/2018 21:36, Keith Thompson wrote:
> bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
> [...]
>> A longer example is given below. Results are as follows:
>>
>>                 Compiles?   Runs? (using fred(10))
>>
>> Pelles C      No          ---
>> Lccwin        Yes         Crashes (or bad results without copy test)
>> DMC           No          ---
>> Tiny C        Yes         Crashes
>> MSVC          No          ---
>> gcc 5.1.0     Yes         Yes
>> clang         No          ---    (via rextester.com)
>> mcc           No          ---    (my product)
>>
>>
>> So only one compiler out of 7 or 8 fully supports a feature that you say
>> is so easy to implement; funny, that.
>>
>> Or rather, 'not difficult' (so what /is/ difficult in your opinion?)
>>
>> (Here, I've hardly got started with the complexities of VLAs, like
>> multiple-dimensional VLAs of my VLA D type and allocating them in loops.)
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>>
>>    void fred(int n){
>>        typedef struct {int A[n],B[n/2],C[n*2];} D;
> [SNIP]
>>    }
> 
> N1570 6.7.2.1p9:
>      A member of a structure or union may have any complete object type
>      other than a variably modified type.
> 
> Apparently gcc supports VLA members as an extension.  clang does not.

So, how hard can it be? According to David Brown, everything is easy, or 
'not difficult' (presumably by only doing the easy bits and declaring 
anything else an error).

But if you want standard C VLAs, try the following program. It doesn't 
do anything more ambitious other than allocating VLAs - of the same size 
each time - within an ordinary loop. My table becomes:

                Compiles?   Runs?   (using fred(4096))

  Pelles C      Yes         Yes
  Lccwin        Yes         Erratic (usually runs, sometimes crashes)
  DMC           Yes         Crashes
  Tiny C        Yes         Crashes
  MSVC          No          ---
  gcc 5.1.0     Yes         Yes
  clang         Yes         Yes     (via rextester.com)
  mcc           No          ---     (my product)
  Any C++       No          ---     [not tested]

Support is much better than before, but still not exactly unanimous.

(The problem with the crashing is likely to be due to reallocating each 
new VLA instance before deallocating the old, so overflowing the stack)

----------------------------
void fred(int n){        // fred(4096)
     typedef int T[n/2];
     for (int i=0; i<1000; ++i) {
         printf("Sizeof(T) = %d N=%d %d\n",(int)sizeof(T),n,i);
         T A;
         int B[n];
         printf("Sizeof(A) = %d N=%d\n",(int)sizeof(A),n);
         printf("Sizeof(B) = %d N=%d\n",(int)sizeof(B),n);
         puts("");
     }
}

-- 
bartc

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