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Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?

From John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?
Date 2025-07-01 14:10 -0700
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 00:13:46 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> >> But SGI were precisely an example of the sort of “flashy &
> >> computationally expensive to render” thing you were criticizing,
> >> were they not? They did a full animated 3D desktop, with
> >> 3D-rendered icons flying around all over the place, just because
> >> they could.  
> > 
> > As a novelty, yes (3D hardware was their big thing, what can you
> > say.) But I don't think anybody seriously meant that to be more
> > than a proof- of-concept - the normal IRIX desktop environment had
> > nothing to do with it, being a nicely-implemented but entirely
> > conventional WIMP GUI based around a modified
> > mwm: http://toastytech.com/guis/irix.html  
> 
> But the 3D interface did ship, did it not. Sun was also showing off
> their “Project Looking Glass”.

I don't care *what* people offer as a novelty geegaw as long as it
doesn't get in the way of the regular workflow. FSN is ludicrous from a
usability standpoint, but it was never anything you *had* to deal with;
compared to genuine workflow malpractice like the Office 2007 Playskool
activity-center bar or GTK3's habit of pointing file-open/save dialogs
to a nebulous liminal space where files can neither be opened nor saved
and there's nothing but links to places where the dev team thinks you
*might* like to keep files, it'd be silly to get mad over.

> > What I'm referring to is the way that NeXTSTEP/OSX is just sort of
> > this entirely different thing plopped on top of an underlying *nix
> > system.  
> 
> OSX is not. That GUI is very much bound into the kernel -- contrary
> to the modularity tradition of *nix systems.

I'm not talking about implementation details on the kernel level; I'm
talking about the way that nothing in GUI-land interacts meaningfully
with the traditional *nix toolset, and vice versa. It's a two-headed
dog sort of thing, only one dog is written in Objective-C and Swift.

> > Certainly it *works,* but it could be done much better.  
> 
> Tell us, or show us, how you would do it.

Someday when I have a pile of free time and no other hobby projects
that are more important to me, sure!

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Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 10:37 -0700
  Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 07:12 +0000
    Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 14:29 -0700
      Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 00:13 +0000
        Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 14:10 -0700
          Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 00:04 +0000
            Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
              Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:26 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:25 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-02 11:56 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-07-02 08:35 -0400
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:27 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-03 11:37 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-03 19:11 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 10:32 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-05 19:09 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 23:05 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-10 00:50 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-10 05:47 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-10 09:35 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-11 11:40 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 23:04 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-02 07:43 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:21 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 08:26 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-07-03 12:17 -0500
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 10:41 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-05 10:17 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 11:19 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 16:07 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 16:23 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 16:25 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-05 13:35 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 21:59 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-05 14:51 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-07 02:46 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-05 22:40 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:09 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-06 10:36 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 14:17 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-06 10:52 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-11 19:03 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-11 21:03 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-11 21:33 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-12 14:30 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 04:50 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-12 23:29 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 07:01 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-13 16:45 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 19:22 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-14 08:34 +1000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 03:20 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-14 09:40 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2025-07-14 18:46 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 19:27 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-14 09:40 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 19:14 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-07-14 11:13 -0400
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-14 17:07 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 19:44 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-14 13:24 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-15 18:21 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-13 07:32 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-13 12:47 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> - 2025-07-13 17:00 +0000
                DVD-Video DRM (was: Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-13 22:49 +0100
                Re: DVD-Video DRM not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-14 14:17 +1000
                Re: DVD-Video DRM c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-07-14 00:43 -0400
                Re: DVD-Video DRM Computer Nerd Kev <not@telling.you.invalid> - 2025-07-14 17:48 +1000
                Re: DVD-Video DRM rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 18:55 +0000
                Re: DVD-Video DRM The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-14 14:56 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-13 16:45 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-13 10:03 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-14 00:14 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-14 03:24 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-07-14 11:07 -0400
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-13 12:15 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) - 2025-07-13 12:00 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 19:36 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-13 21:49 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-07-14 09:03 +1000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-13 16:45 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 19:40 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-12 10:54 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-07-12 08:46 -0400
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-07 02:52 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-07 09:07 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-07 22:00 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-07 09:45 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-07 18:26 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-07 10:42 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-07 20:34 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-07 18:56 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-05 19:12 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:14 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 12:56 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-07 02:47 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-05 18:37 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-05 13:44 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-05 22:44 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-07-05 16:38 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-06 04:46 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-06 06:05 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:09 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 23:00 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 23:03 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-04 21:34 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 09:45 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-06 06:07 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:14 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-06 21:35 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-07-06 10:41 +0000
              Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:31 +0100
            Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-03 13:04 -0700
              Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-04 00:48 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-04 08:21 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-04 23:29 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 10:05 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 22:57 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-07 10:20 -0700
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Harold Stevens <wookie@aspen.localdomain> - 2025-07-07 12:53 -0500
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 22:58 +0000
  Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Andreas Eder <a_eder_muc@web.de> - 2025-06-21 10:35 +0200
    Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 21:43 +0000
    Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 11:49 -0700

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