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Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?

From	rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?
Date	2025-07-05 19:09 +0000
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On Sat, 05 Jul 2025 10:32:20 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:

> On 2025-07-03, rbowman wrote:
>>
>> Raymond and Parens were both involved in the founding of OSI. There are
>> similarities to the FSF, without Stallman's limitations on free.
> 
> Look, wording matters, and "limitations" is really subjective here and
> the key part of the debate, what you describe as "limitations" are, to
> others "protections".
> 
> And IIRC wasn't there also some red scare involved, in which some saw
> "open source" as needed because companies might be scared by something
> that for some reason "looks [or sounds] communist"?
> 
> (Then there's the Microsoft level of describing these protections as
> "cancer", when what they're criticizing is actually *Copyright*, not the
> GPL.)

Yes, the GPL offered protections against the use in any commercial 
products. As an example years ago I found a bug in the handling of 
sigsetjmp in the Expect library. I fixed it and submitted the patch to Don 
Libes where it was incorporated in the next release. I could do that 
because Expect was in the public domain. If it was GPL I wouldn't have 
been using it in the first place.

Would professional programmers submit patches to GPLd software if they 
were using it? I don't know. However the trend today is toward permissive 
licenses, MIT, Apache, No-clause BSD, and so forth. 

https://angular.dev/license

"Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a 
copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), 
to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation 
the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, 
and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the 
Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:"

Compare that to Stallman's legalistic bullshit.

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html

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Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-20 10:37 -0700
  Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 07:12 +0000
    Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 14:29 -0700
      Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 00:13 +0000
        Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-07-01 14:10 -0700
          Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 00:04 +0000
            Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
              Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:26 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:25 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-02 11:56 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-07-02 08:35 -0400
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 23:27 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Borax Man <boraxman@geidiprime.nospam> - 2025-07-03 11:37 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-03 19:11 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 10:32 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-05 19:09 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-09 23:05 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-10 00:50 +0100
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-10 05:47 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-10 09:35 +0100
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                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-05 16:23 +0100
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                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-07 02:46 +0000
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                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-06 09:09 +0100
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                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-07-13 07:01 +0000
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