Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?

From	Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why?
Date	2025-07-05 10:41 +0100
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On 2025-07-03, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Wed, 02 Jul 2025 09:25:57 +0100, Nuno Silva wrote:
>
>> On 2025-07-02, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> 
>>> Thankfully, Free Software/Open Source is all about choice.
>> 
>> Do you realize how close this can be to Microsoft claiming they don't
>> have a monopoly because there are other systems?
>
> Really?? Have you really sunk down to the point where you are accusing 
> Open Source of having some kind of monopoly on computing? Do you even 
> listen to yourself saying that? Big Bad Open Source is now forcing you to 
> do things you don’t want to do?

I'm not accusing FLOSS of some monopoly, I'm accusing *you* of
describing as "choice" something which isn't really choice in practice,
or that doesn't really address the issue.

Let me explain it again:

- Somebody complains because FLOSS DE or GUI toolkit xyz does not allow
  turning off feature abc.

- You say that there is choice because that person can use another
  DE, another GUI toolkit or nothing at all.

- The person still cannot choose to do what they want in that DE or GUI
  toolkit.

And compare it to:

- Microsoft is accused in court of having a monopoly, and of taking
  advantage of it to push other products of theirs.

- Microsoft claims they do not have a monopoly because Linux-based
  systems exist.

- Users are still faced with a forced "choice" of Microsoft because of
  mandated file formats, because of procedures in public services,
  because of lack of website compatibility, because of shady OEM deals,
  etc, etc.

Those situations are quite similar and that is what I'm alluding to.

> Why not run back to Mama Microsoft and she will kiss it and make it all 
> better for you. You seem to be happier there, with someone to tell you 
> what to do.

...

-- 
Nuno Silva

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  Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-21 07:12 +0000
    Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-23 14:29 -0700
      Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-24 00:13 +0000
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          Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 00:04 +0000
            Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:13 +0000
              Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-07-02 01:26 +0000
                Re: What Window Manager/Desktop Environment do you use, and why? Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-07-02 09:25 +0100
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