Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children)

From	John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children)
Date	2025-06-05 08:45 -0700
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On Wed, 4 Jun 2025 23:14:33 -0000 (UTC)
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

> *Yawn* Or more likely, you took one look at an early version of GIMP
> 27 years ago, dismissed it, and have been complaining about it
> without actually trying it again ever since.

That would be a convenient narrative for you, but no - I first picked it
up with v.2 when I was looking for a *nix-native Photoshop alternative,
and it was certainly the case then. I've been using it ever since (as
the version of Photoshop I had was clunky under WINE,) but I gave up on
getting any kind of comparable workflow going for digital art.

That became irrelevant as I moved to more traditional media, which
worked out for me, but it's illustrative of the GIMP team's overall
approach to UI matters: blindly copy what better designers do in a
surface approximation, without bothering to understand *why* or study
the details to get things really *right.* Same can be seen with single-
window mode, which came about as a response to Photoshop for Windows
offering a multiple-document interface, but took a less-useful-but-
easier-to-implement approach. "Minimum viable product to approximate
feature parity" is just how they *do* things...which is why working
professionals just trying to Get Shit Done are still willing to put up
with Adobe's draconian bullshit.

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Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 18:11 +0000
  Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-28 19:18 +0100
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-28 23:40 +0000
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 02:55 +0000
      Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-28 23:47 -0400
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 05:48 +0000
          Re: Distros specifically designed for children c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-05-29 02:04 -0400
            Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 18:30 +0000
              Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:36 +0100
  Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 11:06 +0200
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-29 09:42 +0000
      Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 12:22 +0200
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:13 +0000
          Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-29 21:24 +0200
            Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 01:48 +0000
              Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 09:55 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 09:45 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-30 13:24 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:42 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 16:08 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:08 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 19:42 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:25 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 07:29 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 06:49 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 09:04 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:27 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 10:59 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 12:43 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 12:07 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-05-31 14:03 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-05-31 23:44 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-01 10:49 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-01 13:58 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-01 19:52 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-01 22:46 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 05:23 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 08:37 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 07:47 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-02 09:02 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 10:51 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-02 12:57 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:58 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-02 15:38 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-02 14:59 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:17 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:58 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-06-06 18:33 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:22 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:39 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-02 09:58 -0700
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-02 18:05 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:06 -0700
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:22 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:05 +0000
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 14:40 +0100
          Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-30 22:23 +0000
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:11 +0000
  Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-29 12:07 +0000
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:47 +0100
      Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-30 08:41 +1000
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 08:32 +0100
      Re: Distros specifically designed for children Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-05-30 11:59 +0100
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-30 12:21 +0100
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-30 18:44 +0000
      Re: Distros specifically designed for children Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> - 2025-05-30 12:46 +0000
        Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 12:27 +1000
          Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 02:42 +0000
            Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 13:39 +1000
              Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 04:49 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-05-31 17:56 +1000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-05-31 08:25 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-31 11:02 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-02 09:13 -0700
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 00:24 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 07:24 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 09:21 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 11:01 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:26 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 12:35 +0200
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:37 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-03 18:32 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-04 04:23 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 12:01 +0100
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:19 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:18 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-03 22:01 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-03 12:05 +0000
                Re: Distros specifically designed for children Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-03 17:00 +0200
                GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 10:36 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 11:32 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-03 19:24 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-04 06:50 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 13:02 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:12 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2025-06-07 16:00 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-04 08:48 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:45 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:42 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:32 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-06 08:37 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-07 02:19 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-07 07:05 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 03:46 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-08 00:25 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-08 08:25 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-06-08 18:25 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2025-06-09 08:47 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-08 23:05 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-09 15:34 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 01:10 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2025-06-10 07:44 +0200
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-10 14:14 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-06-10 09:16 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-10 23:45 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-06-06 21:02 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-06-06 15:03 +0000
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-06-06 00:09 -0400
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-05 10:46 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-05 08:54 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-05 23:46 +0000
    Re: Distros specifically designed for children rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-05-29 19:02 +0000

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