Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children)

From	Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children)
Date	2025-06-05 23:42 +0000
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On Thu, 5 Jun 2025 08:45:47 -0700, John Ames wrote:

> ... but it's illustrative of the GIMP team's overall approach to UI
> matters: blindly copy what better designers do in a surface
> approximation, without bothering to understand *why* or study the
> details to get things really *right.*

You’re assuming that the ones who come up with the ideas are actually 
doing user-interface testing. You really think Adobe, Apple, Microsoft and 
others are doing that nowadays?

When you’re saying “get things right” you just mean “get things the way 
I’m used to with Adobe products”. Or maybe it’s “Microsoft” or “Apple” 
products in some other case.

> Same can be seen with single-window mode, which came about as a response
> to Photoshop for Windows offering a multiple-document interface, but
> took a less-useful-but-easier-to-implement approach.

Not sure what you’re complaining about there. GIMP still offers the choice 
of multi-window mode, if that’s what you prefer.

> ...which is why working professionals just trying to Get Shit Done
> are still willing to put up with Adobe's draconian bullshit.

I just think sometimes those “working professionals” are too lazy or 
unimaginative to realize that a computer is a universal machine, that you 
can program to do all the boring, repetitive tasks for you, so you don’t 
have to do them.

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  Re: Distros specifically designed for children The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-05-29 13:47 +0100
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                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-04 11:54 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-06-03 08:42 -0700
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-06-03 17:37 +0100
                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces (was: Re: Distros specifically designed for children) Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 00:15 +0000
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                Re: GIMP and Photoshop user interfaces Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-06-04 23:12 +0000
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