Re: Schlüssel: Brute force

From	Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com>
Newsgroups	de.sci.electronics
Subject	Re: Schlüssel: Brute force
Date	2024-05-01 23:26 +0200
Organization	The fabulous Falk
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On Wed, 1 May 2024 12:15:18 +0200
Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> wrote:

> |Somit ist schon eine AES-Verschlüsselung mit einer Schlüssellänge
> |von 56 Bit zwar in wenigen Minuten geknackt werden, aber mit einem
> |256-Bit-Schlüssel braucht es theoretisch bereits mehrere
> |Erdenzeitalter, um alle möglichen Kombinationen von einem
> |Super-Computer ausprobieren zu lassen.
> 
> Ich halte vorstehende Ausführungen für mehrdimensionalen hanebüchenen
> Unfug. Interessant, was studierte Fachleute so von sich geben.
> Da kriege ich Schnappatmung.

Ich würde höchstens mitgehen, dass es kein AES mit 56bit Schlüssellänge
gibt, aber sagen, dass es in Realität noch schlimmer aussieht, weil
AES im Gegensatz zu Primzahlverfahren keine schwachen Schlüssel hat und
auch Frequenzraumverfahren keine Halbierungen ermöglichen.   

AES ist zwar nicht elliptisch, aber ein Blockchiffre-Verfahren, das
relativ große Chiffre-Blöcke von 128bit Länge bildet.

Außerdem macht die Rekursion die Faktorisierung sehr
Prozessorzeitaufwendig und ich muss jeden Schlüssel probieren, da AES
Chiffretexte selbst mit einer Runde hohe Entropie aufweisen. 

Pro 32bit kommt eine weitere Rekursion hinzu (128bit = 10
Durchläufe, 192bit = 12, 256bit = 14 ...). Effektiv muss man also für
jeden zu prüfenden Schlüssel die 10 bis 14 Rundenschlüssel ausrechnen
und dann mit dem Modulo des Polynom vom Schlüssel x^8 +x^4 +x^3 +1 die
Spalten-Permutation zurückrechnen und dann noch die
Zeilen-Register zurückshiften. 

Und da es sich um XOR und lustiges Registerschieben handelt, helfen auch
Quantencomputer nicht weiter. 

Falk D. 

-- 
Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com>

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Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 12:15 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-01 15:58 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thorsten Böttcher <thorsten_nospam@gmx.net> - 2024-05-01 16:06 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-01 16:09 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thorsten Böttcher <thorsten_nospam@gmx.net> - 2024-05-01 17:10 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 17:40 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:20 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 19:20 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:00 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 19:17 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 16:46 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-02 09:10 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 07:14 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 11:40 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:35 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 11:38 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:01 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 14:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:46 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 12:47 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 16:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:06 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:11 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 20:28 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:22 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 18:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 20:47 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:44 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:18 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 19:28 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:30 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 13:24 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 20:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:27 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-06 20:57 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 11:29 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 06:20 +0000
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-02 08:15 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 11:15 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 22:30 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 19:36 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-06 00:18 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:09 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:16 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 19:30 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:02 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-04 23:54 +0000
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:09 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:53 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:38 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 12:46 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Wolfgang Schmidt <wsc.allmail@web.de> - 2024-05-01 17:42 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 17:54 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-01 19:55 +0200
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      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 23:16 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 08:12 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 10:50 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:42 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 14:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 14:41 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:06 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 17:19 +0000
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-03 23:26 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:23 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:07 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 12:30 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-02 08:26 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:10 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:09 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 14:24 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:37 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:17 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-05 07:15 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-05 19:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 13:26 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-08 21:18 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 19:32 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-08 22:37 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 06:21 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 12:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:46 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 15:29 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 11:06 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:09 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-02 17:20 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-03 07:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:22 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 09:01 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 17:38 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 22:12 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-08 12:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 13:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 01:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-09 09:29 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 12:05 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 17:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-09 17:39 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-09 21:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 11:42 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-08 14:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Josef Möllers <josef@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-08 15:11 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-08 15:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 14:00 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 18:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 17:12 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-09 09:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-08 21:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 13:54 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 18:43 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-08 17:04 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 08:11 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-09 20:50 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:51 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 08:28 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 11:10 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 09:57 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 01:28 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-09 06:47 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:58 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-09 09:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 13:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 09:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-09 20:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-04 18:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 17:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-07 22:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-08 08:20 +0200
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              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-08 22:31 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-09 16:43 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 20:52 +0200
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        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marcel Mueller <news.5.maazl@spamgourmet.org> - 2024-05-02 19:51 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:14 +0200
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          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> - 2024-05-02 20:49 +0000
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-03 07:37 +0200
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  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-01 19:53 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-01 23:03 +0200
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        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 12:22 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 13:20 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:52 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:11 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:29 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:19 +0200
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            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:53 +0200
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                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:03 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-04 22:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:10 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:48 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:34 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-08 19:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-09 10:01 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-09 15:49 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:08 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:45 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-04 18:34 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:08 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-07 17:33 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-07 18:08 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-01 23:19 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Leo Baumann <ib@leobaumann.de> - 2024-05-02 03:10 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:04 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Axel Berger <Spam@Berger-Odenthal.De> - 2024-05-02 10:36 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:18 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-04 19:17 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 08:13 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:13 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 08:23 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marco Moock <mm+solani@dorfdsl.de> - 2024-05-02 10:05 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 10:24 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <u@5i7.de> - 2024-05-02 12:24 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-02 16:52 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Eric Bruecklmeier <nil@nil.nil> - 2024-05-03 08:29 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Gerrit Heitsch <gerrit@laosinh.s.bawue.de> - 2024-05-02 11:15 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-02 13:16 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-01 23:26 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 00:51 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Falk Dµebbert <falk@duebbert.com> - 2024-05-02 11:29 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 13:29 +0200
          Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 17:22 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 16:28 +0000
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:56 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:16 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:25 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 09:07 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 12:33 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-03 11:41 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:52 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rolf Bombach <rolfnospambombach@invalid.invalid> - 2024-05-05 22:09 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0000
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-06 12:57 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-06 18:53 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-08 15:24 +0200
            Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 18:50 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-02 20:21 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-02 23:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 10:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 19:40 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-03 20:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-03 21:27 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 22:15 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> - 2024-05-04 07:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:19 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Volker Bartheld <news2024@bartheld.net> - 2024-05-04 09:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:02 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:49 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 22:13 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:54 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 08:20 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 16:59 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-04 19:31 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 20:36 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> - 2024-05-05 08:24 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 20:14 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Rupert Haselbeck <mein-rest-muell@gmx.de> - 2024-05-03 20:00 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-03 21:32 +0200
              Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Alexander Schreiber <als@usenet.thangorodrim.de> - 2024-05-04 21:55 +0200
                Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 22:39 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 12:54 +0200
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Ralph Aichinger <ralph@pi.h5.or.at> - 2024-05-04 11:02 +0000
    Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-04 17:06 +0200
      Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-05 01:13 +0200
        Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Helmut Schellong <var@schellong.biz> - 2024-05-05 12:51 +0200
  Re: Schlüssel: Brute force Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> - 2024-05-04 13:39 +0200

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