Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...
Date	2024-08-29 10:21 +0200
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, yeti wrote:

>> If the world has moved on, that's fine.
>
> Maybe.  I see not much fun New Fedistan (Mastodon & friends).
> Generation 10 second attention span may see it differently.

This is very interesting. I thought about this the other day, and came to 
the conclusion that for me, mastodon, is a worse usenet. More limits, 
slower, and with worse content and severely lacking in the blocking and 
filter department, but at the end of the day, pretty much the same.

>> I'll continue to use NNTP and perhaps other media that are focused on
>> writing and reading.
>
> I like those gateways of mailing-lists and other stuff to NNTP.  We
> should have even more stuff in/via NNTP.

A benefit of old school protocols is that they are fairly simple and text 
based. That makes it very easy to write integrations and gateways instead 
of todays modern, machine readable protocols.

>> I don't care for images, sounds, video or whatever
>
> Depending on the newsreader it may work.  GNUS already has problems with
> animated GIFs, but if TB uses FF's HTML renderer, much more may be
> possible.  There should be more experiments with this in other
> hierarchies or contexts.

I find it very easy and convenient to link to any media I would like to 
use to illustrate my texts. It does not happen often, but it is possible 
if necessary. I am all in favour of pushing media to the client and end 
user choice.

>> and I also think that NNTP sort of supports all of that: people here
>> often add external URLs on which we download videos, images and
>> whatnot.
>
> That's how it will stay in text only groups.  But NNTP is not only Big8
> and their rules and with MIME a lot more is doable.  The client is the
> limit.
>
> \o/  I even get XKCD via NNTP.  \o/  Thanks feedbase!  \o/
>
>

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If you were to design a netnews protocol today... George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> - 2024-08-07 14:32 +0000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2024-08-07 18:03 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-28 16:41 +0300
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2024-08-28 17:04 +0200
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-07 17:23 +0100
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-08 08:49 +1000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 01:29 +0000
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-08-07 21:52 -0500
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 07:32 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-08 13:41 +0100
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:54 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-08-14 22:05 -0500
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-15 07:20 +0000
            Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 13:37 +0300
              Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-15 16:30 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 18:48 +0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <remailer@domain.invalid> - 2024-08-15 13:15 -0400
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-15 23:30 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-15 23:03 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:41 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-15 23:35 +0042
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:44 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-28 10:45 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:49 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-09-04 11:40 +0000
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) - 2024-08-15 14:11 +0000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:07 +0000
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 11:18 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 21:45 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 13:04 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-17 20:31 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 15:41 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 15:35 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-18 11:04 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-21 10:50 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-21 16:08 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-18 17:11 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-18 10:37 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 00:02 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-20 22:07 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-21 10:52 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 10:18 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 00:00 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:53 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-28 21:34 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-29 01:42 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-29 10:21 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-29 13:57 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-29 16:56 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-29 17:07 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-30 11:58 +0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-30 22:53 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-30 18:51 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-30 22:50 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-29 10:18 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-29 09:22 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-05 01:28 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-09-05 15:10 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-30 18:53 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-09-01 22:47 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-09-02 06:56 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-29 13:30 +0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-30 18:55 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 00:53 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-28 01:59 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 03:07 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-28 03:08 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-28 17:50 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-28 19:41 +0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 18:52 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-28 19:34 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 19:58 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-28 21:16 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2024-08-28 17:55 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 22:04 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> - 2024-08-28 22:40 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-29 13:12 +0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-31 23:47 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-09-05 01:34 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-28 10:46 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-28 15:09 +0042
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 19:58 +0100
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Dan Purgert <dan@djph.net> - 2024-08-08 09:39 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-08 14:16 +0100
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-08 04:31 +0100
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-09 08:23 +0100
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      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-09 19:13 +0100
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-10 00:25 +0000
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-10 09:14 +0100
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-10 08:17 +0000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-10 15:05 +0000
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Bob Eager <news0009@eager.cx> - 2024-08-10 16:51 +0000
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-10 23:41 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... bks@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) - 2024-08-10 22:10 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> - 2024-08-12 10:23 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-12 11:21 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... William Stickers <bill.stickers@innocent.com> - 2024-08-12 21:41 +0100
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:25 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:27 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-09 21:38 +0042
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:34 -0300
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:44 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-14 13:33 -0300
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-15 08:16 +1000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 19:50 +0300
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-16 08:30 +1000
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-14 18:36 +0100
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 16:49 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 21:43 +0200
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2024-08-19 13:07 +0200
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 19:36 +0200
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-19 18:35 +0042
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 22:40 +0200
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-19 22:20 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-20 10:01 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-20 17:07 +0042
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-20 20:00 +0200
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-20 22:10 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-21 07:28 +0000

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