Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...

From	Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org>
Newsgroups	comp.misc, alt.fan.usenet
Subject	Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...
Date	2024-08-28 21:34 -0300
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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:

> On 8/27/24 3:53 PM, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>> 
>>> On 8/15/24 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:11:43 -0000 (UTC), Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Grant Taylor  <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 8/8/24 02:32, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a complete rethinking of the way distributed social media is
>>>>>>> supposed to work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Usenet is not social media.
>>>>> ObDevilsAdvocate: Usenet is the original social medium.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> And it gives us maximum control over what we see or avoid.  No
>>> pictures or -- god forbid -- reels, but that's a good thing. The bad
>>> thing about reels is that they're addictive time-wasters.
>>>
>>>> Absolutely. And the centralization introduced by the web-based successors
>>>> (at least the proprietary ones) is a definite step back.
>>>
>>> What bothers me is that otherwise smart people have replaced usenet
>>> with Facebook.  Maybe X too, but I don't read that even if I have an
>>> account.   How hard can it be to do all three? The 'social media' make
>>> actual conversation, as opposed to post-it notes, difficult. I "know"
>>> the people I've known on usenet since 1995. I've met some of them IRL.
>>> FB people, unless friends of friends, are unknown strangers, just
>>> groups of words without names.
>> That's quite right.  I mean, I don't know anything about FB and the
>> other, but they're all very much unsusceptible to conversation.  So
>> they're totally time-wasters.
>
> Unfortunately, it's pretty much all we've got now.  Exceptions, of
> course, but my long-term "friends" don't show up in the newsgroups at 
> all any more.  Not even the loons.

Sometimes we need to wait.  We've done what we could so far.  The USENET
is still pretty good for conversation with the global community.  I wish
the experts would come back at least for a little while.  I believe the
experts come here, find not much and they go away.  I believe many have
done that.  In comp.lang.lisp, for example, there are more than a few
experts there, but they only appear sometimes because there's not much
going on there.

I wrote an NNTP server for a small semi-closed group.  Perhaps the
openness is not a very good thing anymore.  But I do think people still
want the all-connected-type of application these days, even at the
detriment of conversation---which is absurd.  I don't think good
conversation can be carried out this way.  But an NNTP server, say,
could have a phone app that's good for reading only.  Have you tried the
Hacker News apps?  They let you read the comments just fine.  The same
could be done for an NNTP server, but I never found a decent phone news
reader.

I think we're doing our part.  If the world has moved on, that's fine.
I'll continue to use NNTP and perhaps other media that are focused on
writing and reading.  I don't care for images, sounds, video or whatever
and I also think that NNTP sort of supports all of that: people here
often add external URLs on which we download videos, images and whatnot.

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If you were to design a netnews protocol today... George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> - 2024-08-07 14:32 +0000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2024-08-07 18:03 +0200
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  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-08 08:49 +1000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 01:29 +0000
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-08-07 21:52 -0500
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 07:32 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-08 13:41 +0100
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:54 +0000
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              Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-15 16:30 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 18:48 +0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <remailer@domain.invalid> - 2024-08-15 13:15 -0400
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-15 23:30 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-15 23:03 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:41 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-15 23:35 +0042
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:44 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-28 10:45 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:49 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-09-04 11:40 +0000
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) - 2024-08-15 14:11 +0000
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 15:41 -0700
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0700
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    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-09 21:38 +0042
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      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:44 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-14 13:33 -0300
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-15 08:16 +1000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 19:50 +0300
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-16 08:30 +1000
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-14 18:36 +0100
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    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 21:43 +0200
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