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Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ?

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.misc
Subject	Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ?
Date	2025-11-04 17:49 +0100
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On 04/11/2025 17:26, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 04.11.2025 16:46, David Brown wrote:
>> On 04/11/2025 12:10, bart wrote:
>>
>>> I've finally noticed that that thread has gone very quiet after I
>>> showed that the main cause of the slowdown was cruft in the build
>>> script. The slowness was a symptom, but 'make -j' hid the symptom and
>>> left the underlying cause.
>>
>> Just to be clear here - threads like that on comp.lang.c tend to go
>> quite because people have got fed up repeating the same things, offering
>> advice and help that is ignored, asking questions that are left
>> unanswered, and seeing nothing but off-topic navel-gazing claims about
>> how wonderful your personal languages are.  (Your languages are topical
>> here in comp.lang.misc, and I have nothing against discussing them here,
>> but they are very much off-topic in c.l.c.)
> 
> Well said.
> 
> Indeed I read your post, while having completely ignored (not read)
> bart's reply; at some point when all is said - sometimes, depending
> on the poster, when all has been said even multiple times - it's not
> worth to waste more time. (Maybe I'll come back later to the unread
> posts, but they might then have already expired.)
> 

To be clear here - I explained why I thought the thread in c.l.c. ebbed 
away.  I have nothing against discussing other things with Bart.  There 
are some topics that end up going nowhere, and while I am regularly 
seduced in to talking about them again, in the end I think the only 
appropriate action is to leave the discussion.  But on other topics, I 
will try to respond to the posts as I read them.  Here in c.l.misc, his 
languages are as much on-topic as Algol 68, and I don't see a problem 
with comparisons.  If the discussion is not leading to anything 
interesting (after all, details of a private language are not directly 
relevant to anyone else), people can move away from the subject.

> The only drawback is that he might think non-responding means that
> he's right - but that's meaningless; attentive readers will judge
> themselves which facts they find worthwhile and right, and what not.
> 
> Just one point; while it is (as you said) indeed topical here I'd
> not be happy if he'll expose the same pathological behavior here
> that he's shown for ages in c.l.c (those things you listed above).
> 

Bart rubs many people the wrong way.  But I know there are people who 
don't like some of my posting styles - indeed I can't think of any 
regulars in c.l.c. or here who don't occasionally make posts that 
irritate at least some people.  All I can say is that it is best to 
respond to the content of posts when you have something useful to say, 
and try not to respond too much to the person - and if things get too 
heated (as they have done in some of my posts), back away and cool down.

On the whole, while Bart regularly misunderstands C and fails to learn 
from others, and seems to be in a class of his own when it comes to have 
trouble with regular programming or software build tasks, his posts 
often spur interesting discussions, and there is often agreement in some 
of the things he says.

> Janis
> 
>>
>> When you post something new, I think it is reasonable to expect more
>> responses.
>>
>

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Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-01 16:00 +0100
  Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-01 20:54 +0000
    Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-02 07:33 +0100
      Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-02 09:50 +0100
      Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-02 11:10 +0000
        Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-02 11:44 +0000
          Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-02 13:12 +0100
            Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-02 13:23 +0100
          Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-03 00:42 +0000
            Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 15:03 +0000
              Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-03 16:40 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 17:00 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-03 21:02 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 20:34 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-03 22:35 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 23:37 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-04 07:16 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 11:10 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-04 16:46 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 16:17 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-04 17:26 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-04 17:49 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-04 18:38 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 19:30 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-04 21:04 +0100
                Homebrew languages (was: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ?) bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 00:39 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-05 12:52 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-05 14:02 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 18:28 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-04 21:14 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 17:32 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-03 20:28 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-03 20:10 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-03 22:31 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 12:24 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-04 17:02 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-05 12:25 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-05 14:12 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-05 14:28 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-06 08:29 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 14:18 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 15:58 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 21:22 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-07 23:13 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-08 03:17 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-08 03:50 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 04:47 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 12:42 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-08 21:37 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-09 20:34 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 21:08 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-09 16:58 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-08 11:34 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-09 17:16 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-09 19:11 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-09 20:58 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-10 13:56 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 20:52 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-11 12:53 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-11 20:51 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-06 17:14 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-06 19:41 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 22:01 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 12:24 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 23:33 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-04 00:35 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-04 07:07 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 14:57 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-05 23:59 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 01:03 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-06 07:40 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 10:59 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-06 16:59 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 17:58 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-06 20:14 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 22:16 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-06 22:47 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 14:34 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-07 15:42 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-07 16:50 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-07 19:49 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-08 00:26 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 01:54 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-08 14:00 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-08 15:24 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-10 00:11 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-10 00:43 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2025-11-10 09:08 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-10 13:28 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) - 2025-11-10 10:11 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 11:02 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-10 15:00 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? antispam@fricas.org (Waldek Hebisch) - 2025-11-10 15:52 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-10 17:05 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-10 10:10 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-10 15:48 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-07 17:59 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-07 18:39 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-12 11:01 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:47 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-12 22:22 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 23:28 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 01:31 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-13 09:35 +0100
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 11:37 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 01:05 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 01:24 +0000
                Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 02:28 +0000

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