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| From | bart <bc@freeuk.com> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.lang.misc |
| Subject | Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? |
| Date | 2025-11-13 11:37 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On 13/11/2025 08:35, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 13.11.2025 02:31, bart wrote:
>> On 12/11/2025 23:28, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Wed, 12 Nov 2025 22:22:15 +0000, bart wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or maybe you understand that such snippets are to illustrate a point.
>>>
>>> The point being that you didn’t understand the language you were
>>> critiquing, and didn’t seem interesting in looking things up in the
>>> reference, even when they were pointed out to you.
>>
>> I've played with quite a few languages and have rarely had as much as
>> with Algol68, just to get the basics right.
>
> Previously you had pretended: "I was really interested at one time,
> and I learnt about it from a book."
Which is perfectly true. I even made my first language look a bit like
Algol68, and it had the same expression-based style. Even in the 1980s,
I could write code like this:
if c then
A
else
B
fi[i] := x
(c | A | B)[i] := x
Have you ever done that? I mean, created a language like this /which you
then used in your professional work/.
Of course, my version of the syntax was tweaked; it doesn't use that
ugly stropping style for a start.
>>
>> You should never need to get deep into a reference document or textbook
>> just to get started.
>
> If all you want to do in a language (natural language or programming
> language) is to just *babble* with it and about it then just start.
>
> If you are interested to know the language (and talk with and about
> it) you have to learn it; the usual ways (effective and persistent)
> are teachers and textbooks!
I have to respect the language first and think it is worthwhile. There
appears to be something fundamentally off about this one. I think I
would now class it as esoteric, which is a category I would ignore,
except for the long history with this one.
>>
>> It also doesn't help that when you end up with what apparently works, it
>> works for the wrong reasons.
>
> You miss all the preconditions and intellectually fail with the rest.
No, the problem is that over-zealous orthogonality means that you make a
mistake, even a typo, but that code is still valid; it just has silently
different behaviour - a bug.
It affects the ability to detect coding errors.
You, of course, just cannot resist getting a personal insult in.
> Software development is a serious discipline! (There's a reason why
> it's taught at Universities.) - Hmm.. - it just occurs to me; could
> it be that you had no professional CS (or similar) education? - That
> would (at least to some degree) explain your stance.
I have a BSc degree in Computer Science.
> A "cheat-sheet" is not an appropriate medium to learn any non-trivial
> language.
Yet, cheat-sheets exist for many serious languages; I've just looked at
ones for C++, Java, Rust, Go, Ada, Erlang and Awk.
You can't do as simple a search for Algol-68; you have to look up
Watt-Peck-Sintzoff, and the poor quality page it brings up is still
formal and full of RR jargon.
>>
>> It's now just a mildly interesting dinosaur of a language.
>
> Your obsessive flood of posts exposes that you are obviously a liar.
Many of my posts are about defending my position from people like you.
I guess you enjoy the language because it's something unusual and
complicated that you have to master, which also puts you in a position
of superiority and smugness.
My interest is in accessible, non-elitist, pragmatic languages that
everyone can appreciate and use. This a PL design matter, and Algol68
doesn't tick many boxes here.
Yet, this seems to cut no ice; you seem mainly intent on some personal
campaign rather than objectively discuss technical matters.
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Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-05 23:59 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 01:03 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-06 07:40 +0100
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 10:59 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Andy Walker <anw@cuboid.co.uk> - 2025-11-06 16:59 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 17:58 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-06 20:14 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-06 22:16 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-06 22:47 +0000
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Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-07 18:39 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-12 11:01 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 20:47 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-12 22:22 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-12 23:28 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 01:31 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Janis Papanagnou <janis_papanagnou+ng@hotmail.com> - 2025-11-13 09:35 +0100
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-13 11:37 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 01:05 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? bart <bc@freeuk.com> - 2025-11-04 01:24 +0000
Re: Algol 68 - array of procedures aligned at index 0 ? Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2025-11-04 02:28 +0000
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