Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...

From	D <nospam@example.net>
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Subject	Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...
Date	2024-08-29 10:18 +0200
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On Wed, 28 Aug 2024, Johanne Fairchild wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 8/27/24 3:53 PM, Johanne Fairchild wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 8/15/24 7:07 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 14:11:43 -0000 (UTC), Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Grant Taylor  <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/8/24 02:32, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's a complete rethinking of the way distributed social media is
>>>>>>>> supposed to work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Usenet is not social media.
>>>>>> ObDevilsAdvocate: Usenet is the original social medium.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> And it gives us maximum control over what we see or avoid.  No
>>>> pictures or -- god forbid -- reels, but that's a good thing. The bad
>>>> thing about reels is that they're addictive time-wasters.
>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely. And the centralization introduced by the web-based successors
>>>>> (at least the proprietary ones) is a definite step back.
>>>>
>>>> What bothers me is that otherwise smart people have replaced usenet
>>>> with Facebook.  Maybe X too, but I don't read that even if I have an
>>>> account.   How hard can it be to do all three? The 'social media' make
>>>> actual conversation, as opposed to post-it notes, difficult. I "know"
>>>> the people I've known on usenet since 1995. I've met some of them IRL.
>>>> FB people, unless friends of friends, are unknown strangers, just
>>>> groups of words without names.
>>> That's quite right.  I mean, I don't know anything about FB and the
>>> other, but they're all very much unsusceptible to conversation.  So
>>> they're totally time-wasters.
>>
>> Unfortunately, it's pretty much all we've got now.  Exceptions, of
>> course, but my long-term "friends" don't show up in the newsgroups at
>> all any more.  Not even the loons.
>
> Sometimes we need to wait.  We've done what we could so far.  The USENET
> is still pretty good for conversation with the global community.  I wish
> the experts would come back at least for a little while.  I believe the
> experts come here, find not much and they go away.  I believe many have
> done that.  In comp.lang.lisp, for example, there are more than a few
> experts there, but they only appear sometimes because there's not much
> going on there.
>
> I wrote an NNTP server for a small semi-closed group.  Perhaps the
> openness is not a very good thing anymore.  But I do think people still
> want the all-connected-type of application these days, even at the
> detriment of conversation---which is absurd.  I don't think good
> conversation can be carried out this way.  But an NNTP server, say,
> could have a phone app that's good for reading only.  Have you tried the
> Hacker News apps?  They let you read the comments just fine.  The same
> could be done for an NNTP server, but I never found a decent phone news
> reader.
>
> I think we're doing our part.  If the world has moved on, that's fine.
> I'll continue to use NNTP and perhaps other media that are focused on
> writing and reading.  I don't care for images, sounds, video or whatever
> and I also think that NNTP sort of supports all of that: people here
> often add external URLs on which we download videos, images and whatnot.
>

The highest expert ratio I have generally found on moderated mailinglists. 
I've also detected a few on usenet as well, so they are here, you just 
need to learn how to detect them. ;)

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If you were to design a netnews protocol today... George Musk <grgmusk@skiff.com> - 2024-08-07 14:32 +0000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2024-08-07 18:03 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-28 16:41 +0300
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Michael Bäuerle <michael.baeuerle@stz-e.de> - 2024-08-28 17:04 +0200
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-07 17:23 +0100
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-08 08:49 +1000
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 01:29 +0000
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-08-07 21:52 -0500
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 07:32 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <noreply@mixmin.net> - 2024-08-08 13:41 +0100
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-08 23:54 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> - 2024-08-14 22:05 -0500
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-15 07:20 +0000
            Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 13:37 +0300
              Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-15 16:30 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 18:48 +0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <remailer@domain.invalid> - 2024-08-15 13:15 -0400
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-15 23:30 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-15 23:03 +0100
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:41 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-15 23:35 +0042
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-16 09:44 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-28 10:45 +0200
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:49 -0300
                Re: Usenet as social media [was:Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today...] kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-09-04 11:40 +0000
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... steveo@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) - 2024-08-15 14:11 +0000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-16 02:07 +0000
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 11:18 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 21:45 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 13:04 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-17 20:31 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 15:41 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 15:35 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-18 11:04 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-18 08:25 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-21 10:50 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-21 16:08 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-18 17:11 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-18 10:37 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 00:02 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) - 2024-08-20 22:07 +0000
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2024-08-21 10:52 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-18 10:18 +0100
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 00:00 +0200
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-27 19:53 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> - 2024-08-27 19:51 -0700
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-28 21:34 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-29 01:42 +0042
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-29 13:57 +0000
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-29 09:22 +0042
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-30 18:53 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-09-01 22:47 -0300
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-30 18:55 -0300
                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 00:53 +0100
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 03:07 +0100
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 18:52 +0100
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-28 19:58 +0100
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-28 10:46 +0200
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  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-09 08:23 +0100
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        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-10 00:25 +0000
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            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2024-08-10 08:17 +0000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-10 15:05 +0000
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              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-10 23:41 +0200
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) - 2024-08-12 11:21 +0100
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    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:25 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-09 22:27 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> - 2024-08-09 21:38 +0042
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-13 22:34 -0300
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2024-08-14 03:44 +0000
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Johanne Fairchild <jfairchild@tudado.org> - 2024-08-14 13:33 -0300
          Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-15 08:16 +1000
            Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> - 2024-08-15 19:50 +0300
              Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2024-08-16 08:30 +1000
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2024-08-14 18:36 +0100
  Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2024-08-17 16:49 +0200
    Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-17 21:43 +0200
      Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2024-08-19 13:07 +0200
        Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-19 19:36 +0200
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                Re: If you were to design a netnews protocol today... D <nospam@example.net> - 2024-08-20 10:01 +0200
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