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| Started by | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| First post | 2022-09-23 13:12 -0700 |
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Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 13:12 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 20:22 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 14:56 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 22:12 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> - 2022-09-23 23:13 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 19:33 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 20:39 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Tim Tiraboschi <htih@bibrriat.tr> - 2022-09-24 12:57 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 11:12 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-23 19:28 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 22:01 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 00:05 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-24 01:00 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-09-24 14:05 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-09-26 09:33 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-29 23:06 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-29 23:06 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-29 23:22 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-02 22:41 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-03 07:12 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-09 23:13 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 09:15 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-15 23:27 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 11:06 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-16 12:37 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-16 21:34 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-08 11:00 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-08 17:45 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-08 23:35 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-09 12:50 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> - 2022-10-09 11:13 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-09 13:19 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-09 17:04 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-09 16:57 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-10 11:34 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 17:01 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 13:05 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 18:48 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-10 21:43 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-09 23:14 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-10 11:40 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-15 23:22 -0600
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Byker" <byker@do~rag.net> - 2022-10-17 11:30 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... governor.swill@gmail.com - 2022-10-17 23:01 -0400
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-17 20:17 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 15:19 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 15:50 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Michel Marconi <iinc@lcrallem.or> - 2022-10-09 23:13 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 17:52 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 22:19 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2022-10-09 22:33 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... "mitchr...@gmail.com" <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 17:58 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> - 2022-10-09 19:39 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Mandy Stabile <alts@ilnnnbsl.ed> - 2022-10-10 15:57 +0000
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... governor.swill@gmail.com - 2022-10-11 00:13 -0400
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-10 22:50 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-11 05:04 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 03:29 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 21:15 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-10-10 23:04 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-11 05:07 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2022-10-11 08:39 +0200
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-10-10 23:54 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-11 05:10 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-12 01:31 -0400
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-11 23:03 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-12 11:30 -0500
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-10-12 11:15 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Woodrow Adessi <reds@odirsodo.er> - 2022-10-13 18:29 +0000
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 13:12 -0700 |
| Subject | Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... |
| Message-ID | <632E1320.3DF6@ix.netcom.com> |
Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Putin threatens to use The BOMB. Putin has *already* made the decision. Ask the atomic bomb expert, Albert Einstein... It is more economical for Putin to drop a nuclear bomb on on Ukraine instead of wasting money on missiles, tanks, bullets, and soldiers on Ukraine. One bomb will do it! Destroy everything! And you Save Money!!!! He probably would do what the USA did to Japan... drop two atomic bombs. PLUS! It will scare the hell out of rest of the world and pussy Biden. There are no consequences. Biden got a basement, where's yours? You can use his basement, right? Now, the Fact is.. the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan in August, 1945... but, Albert Einstein was informed that the atomic bomb would be used on Japan back in March that same year.. dats around five months ahead of time. Putin has already made the decision. What is anybody going to do about it? NOTHING! It just makes good tvee... (but they should get all those pretty girls out first...i want some of dat) -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 20:22 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tgl4hi$2k1ml$6@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #592174 |
The Starmaker wrote: > Ask the atomic bomb expert, Albert Einstein... > > It is more economical for Putin to drop a nuclear bomb on on Ukraine > instead of wasting money on > missiles, tanks, bullets, and soldiers on Ukraine. amazing he was an *expert* in something he denied. He didn't understood tensors and was against Niels Bohr of Copenhagen, because the atoms don't play dices. When I go to Odessa, I go to Russia, not to the nonexistent uKraina. To go to the nazi uKraina right now, and anytime, is imbecility. How the hell you guys trust travelling to oligarch khakhole nazi uKraina, which never existed on the world map before CCCP??
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 14:56 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <b17c5ae6-908b-45a1-ac54-29b0f0af39b8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592174 |
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > Putin has *already* made the decision. Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of financial help in the future, etc.) But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their experience has been mostly with other politicians. Same goes for the media. -- Jan
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| From | Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 22:12 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tglb04$2k1ml$11@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #592181 |
JanPB wrote: >> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. Putin has *already* made the decision. > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his Kremlin courtiers the but the next will make polakia history much faster. The putina is not evil enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian military.
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| From | Jeiker Carboni <iree@eoaijoje.br> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 23:13 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tgleis$2n9k7$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #592184 |
Michael Moroney wrote: > On 9/23/2022 6:12 PM, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > >> The putina is not evil enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian >> military. > > He sure did! Before February, the 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 military was thought to > be a it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on the planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or leave. The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the dicks in low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. The wealthy will already leave. But they are nazis, not to forget, for the people taking them in custody.
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 19:33 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <9642127c-b295-4a02-86d6-cb6d50f7a6a5n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592188 |
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:13:35 PM UTC-7, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > Michael Moroney wrote: > > On 9/23/2022 6:12 PM, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > > > >> The putina is not evil enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian > >> military. > > > > He sure did! Before February, the 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 military was thought to > > be a > > it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on the > planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or leave. > The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the dicks in > low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. No, it's Russia that has been the constant problem (that's a euphemism, we are talking mass murder here) for its neighbours. It's now simply that that bill comes due for Russia. Unless Putin leaves Ukraine quickly, there will be no more delaying the payment of that debt. And it will have to pay it back, as the saying goes, "with interest and with interest paid on the interest". We cannot afford tolerating this goon of an "empire wannabe" anymore. -- Jan
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 20:39 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <62230030-ebc0-4ac0-bdd5-efd3c86e6ebbn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592198 |
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 11:33:52 PM UTC-3, JanPB wrote: > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 4:13:35 PM UTC-7, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > > Michael Moroney wrote: > > > On 9/23/2022 6:12 PM, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > > > > > >> The putina is not evil enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian > > >> military. > > > > > > He sure did! Before February, the 卐Ru⚡︎⚡︎ian卐 military was thought to > > > be a > > > > it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on the > > planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or leave. > > The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the dicks in > > low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. > No, it's Russia that has been the constant problem (that's a euphemism, > we are talking mass murder here) for its neighbours. It's now simply that > that bill comes due for Russia. Unless Putin leaves Ukraine quickly, there will > be no more delaying the payment of that debt. And it will have to pay it back, > as the saying goes, "with interest and with interest paid on the interest". > > We cannot afford tolerating this goon of an "empire wannabe" anymore. > > -- > Jan Pay in rubles, asshole. You'll get a 30% discount on the spot price. Or, tell the ukies to open the pipes and tell the germans to open NS2 (paying in rubles, of course). And tell your national energy suppliers to put a cap on the prices for industry and households. They are GREEDY!
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| From | Tim Tiraboschi <htih@bibrriat.tr> |
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| Date | 2022-09-24 12:57 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <tgmurv$2vm96$4@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #592198 |
JanPB wrote: >> it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on >> the planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or >> leave. The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the >> dicks in low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. > > No, it's Russia that has been the constant problem (that's a euphemism, > we are talking mass murder here) for its neighbours. It's now simply > that that bill comes due for Russia. Unless Putin leaves Ukraine > quickly, there will be no more delaying the payment of that debt. And it > will have to pay it back, as the saying goes, "with interest and with > interest paid on the interest". it just reflects the fucking unskilled and uneducated imbecile your are, inspite of that fascist diploma you probably got in nazi amercacania. You are talking about *fake_money* "interest", you fool. Kenseto is a doctor in physics when compared to you. The "euro" is already fucked up, what "money", you fucking idiot. This guy isn't understanding anything.
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-24 11:12 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <e7cefa55-b83d-474a-82c4-bf839535a7e8n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592215 |
On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 5:57:37 AM UTC-7, Tim Tiraboschi wrote: > JanPB wrote: > > >> it still is, the putina made western peninsula the poorest shithole on > >> the planet. Without energy stolen on *fake_money* they suck dicks or > >> leave. The *collective_west* has no tools to avoid the sucking of the > >> dicks in low temperature. They *just_wanted_to_kill_Russia*. > > > > No, it's Russia that has been the constant problem (that's a euphemism, > > we are talking mass murder here) for its neighbours. It's now simply > > that that bill comes due for Russia. Unless Putin leaves Ukraine > > quickly, there will be no more delaying the payment of that debt. And it > > will have to pay it back, as the saying goes, "with interest and with > > interest paid on the interest". > it just reflects the fucking unskilled and uneducated imbecile your are, > inspite of that fascist diploma you probably got in nazi amercacania. You > are talking about *fake_money* "interest", you fool. Kenseto is a doctor > in physics when compared to you. The "euro" is already fucked up, what > "money", you fucking idiot. This guy isn't understanding anything. Reread what I wrote. -- Jan
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 19:28 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <116dce7c-8261-4519-a435-e550e2e6008en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592184 |
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 3:12:24 PM UTC-7, Jeiker Carboni wrote: > JanPB wrote: > > >> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. Putin has *already* made the decision. > > > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his Kremlin courtiers the > but the next will make polakia history much faster. Extremely doubtful but of course one cannot completely ignore a madman. > The putina is not evil > enough. He brought disrespect over the Russian military. He turned out to be merely Yet Another Standard-issue Russian Dictator. (I admit I used to consider him to be more of a Dick Cheney type: evil but also intelligent. Now I know the guy is simply very clever but not intelligent.) -- Jan
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-23 22:01 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <632E8F22.16AA@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #592181 |
JanPB wrote: > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > > > Putin has *already* made the decision. > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > financial help in the future, etc.) > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > Same goes for the media. > > -- > Jan "gangster"???? All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. Don't they call Trump "The Don"? Isn't the Venusula government run by gangsters? Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? Russia is simply a Mafia State. Albert Einstein was a gangster who provided other gangsters with a better weapon then a Al Capone Tommy Gun. "The M1921 Thompson submachine gun, or more commonly, the Tommy Gun, is an American-made submachine gun, the Mafia's most legendary instrument of death. It was the Long-Range weapon of the Mafia and the Mid-Range weapon of Al Capone." "A single bomb of this type, carried by boat and exploded in a port, might very well destroy the whole port together with some of the surrounding territory." -Albert Einstein -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-24 00:05 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <0452d513-a11b-458c-ab32-df6f6cfc5e8en@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #592202 |
On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > JanPB wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > > > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > > > > > Putin has *already* made the decision. > > > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > > financial help in the future, etc.) > > > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > > experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > > > Same goes for the media. > > > > -- > > Jan > "gangster"???? > > All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front of the judge. > Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of content. Etc. -- Jan
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-24 01:00 -0700 |
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JanPB wrote: > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > JanPB wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > > > > > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > > > > > > > Putin has *already* made the decision. > > > > > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > > > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > > > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > > > financial help in the future, etc.) > > > > > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > > > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > > > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > > > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > > > experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > > > > > Same goes for the media. > > > > > > -- > > > Jan > > "gangster"???? > > > > All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. > > But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as > some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > > > All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. > > Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the > order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's > random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or > Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > > > President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. > > Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? > Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that > "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front > of the judge. > > > Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? > > Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of > content. > > Etc. > > -- > Jan You need to understand from Putin's point of view... On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be met "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction What's it all about, Ukraine... It's all Albert Einstein's doing. It's about atomic bombs. Albert Einstein said that what is needed is to put atomic bombs pointing to places like Russia. The Ukraine guy said if i cannot be part of NATO then I will put atomic bombs pointing at Russia. Russia said, "I cannot have that." So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine before it happens. (Russia won't invade Ukraine if they have atomic bombs pointing at them) The USA told Ukraine give up all your atomic bombs and you will be protected. It was a lie. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-24 14:05 -0700 |
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On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:59:48 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > JanPB wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > JanPB wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > > > > > > > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > > > > > > > > > Putin has *already* made the decision. > > > > > > > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > > > > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > > > > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > > > > financial help in the future, etc.) > > > > > > > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > > > > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > > > > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > > > > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > > > > experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > > > > > > > Same goes for the media. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jan > > > "gangster"???? > > > > > > All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. > > > > But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as > > some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > > > > > All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. > > > > Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the > > order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's > > random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or > > Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > > > > > President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. > > > > Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? > > Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that > > "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front > > of the judge. > > > > > Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? > > > > Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of > > content. > > > > Etc. > > > > -- > > Jan > You need to understand from Putin's point of view... > > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be > met > > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction > > > > > What's it all about, Ukraine... > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing. > > It's about atomic bombs. > > Albert Einstein said > that what is needed > is to put atomic bombs > pointing to places like Russia. > > The Ukraine guy said if > i cannot be part of NATO > then I will put atomic bombs > pointing at Russia. > > Russia said, "I cannot have that." > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine > before it happens. > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if > they have atomic bombs pointing > at them) > > > The USA told > Ukraine > give up all your > atomic bombs > and you will be protected. > > It was a lie. > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. These are fresh news from a "serious" site at Greece. They have had accurate predictions since Feb 24: https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/i-polonia-etoimazetai-gia-pyriniki-katastrofi-o-b-poutin-epikyronei-tin-pebti-tin-allagi-synoron-paradidei-telesigrafo-stous-oukranous/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Poland is preparing for a nuclear disaster: B. Putin approves the border change on Thursday & delivers an ultimatum to Ukraine... "Fast-track" breakup of Ukraine - 24/09/2022 - 22:57 With "fast-track" procedures comes the dissolution of Ukraine, as the Russian State Duma (Lower House) will debate next Thursday, September 29, the bills that integrate the 4 former Ukrainian regions in which the referendums are now being held. Therefore, immediately after the end of the referendums on the 27th of the month in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson, the ratification of the border change will follow on the 29th of September. A little later, the president of Russia, B. Putin, is expected to deliver a new speech in which he will declare martial law and deliver an ultimatum to the Ukrainians to leave within 24 hours from the territories that now belong to Russia. Otherwise, Russia will declare war on Ukraine, abolishing the term "special military operation" and all that it implies. It will be total war. Russian President Vladimir Putin may address the Federal Assembly on September 30, according to reports. Around then, the Russian ultimatum is expected to be delivered to the Ukrainians. In this way, the publication of WarNews247 two months ago about the "fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine will be confirmed. Read also: Dissolution of Ukraine with "fast-track" procedures: An emergency meeting of the Duma was called by B. Putin - Dramatic developments are coming! On Thursday, the borders of Russia and Ukraine change! In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House) will debate next Thursday, September 29, bills that integrate parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an anonymous source. The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters. Moscow began holding referendums on joining Russia in four occupied regions of Ukraine on Friday, prompting condemnation from Kyiv and the West, which dismissed the votes as fraudulent and vowed not to recognize their results. Voting is expected to conclude on Tuesday. The Russian news agency TASS has already provided a first image from the referendums. According to his report, the first day of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics went smoothly. At the same time, both republics reported shelling from Ukraine. In fact, one person was killed west of Donetsk, while in the town of Rubiznoye in the Lugansk People's Republic, people were forced to vote in a shelter. Due to the possibility of Ukrainian strikes, some polling stations, notably those in Alchevsk and Severodonetsk, closed earlier than expected. How many voted? More than 20% of citizens were reported to have voted in the Donbas republics (Donetsk and Lugansk) by 20:00 on Friday. 23.64% of those registered in the electoral rolls in the Donetsk People's Republic and 21.97% of those registered in the Lugansk People's Republic participated in the vote. According to TASS, 15.31% of voters participated in the process in Kherson region and 20.52% in Zaporizhia. They are handing out potassium iodide tablets in Polish schools! "Poland has begun to prepare for a nuclear disaster," reports the newspaper Rzeczpospolita, which adds that " schools in Poland are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets to children" due to the escalation in Ukraine. Such information exists, among others, from Warsaw. There, the Metropolitan City Council reported that "preparations are underway to distribute tablets containing potassium iodide in case of a radiation emergency." School principals have been informed that they can participate in the distribution of protective equipment from the effects of radiation. Potassium iodide is a substance that blocks the absorption of radioactive iodine-131. It is given in the event of a radiation emergency and may involve school principals. This is the result of a briefing given to principals at the National Association of Teaching Staff. "They inform us of meetings during which they are required by the municipalities to distribute tablets in case of a possible threat. Some people hear that they will have six hours for such a distribution from the announcement of the alarm, although it is not certain whether the procedure will be the same everywhere," Marek Pleśniar, director of the OSKKO office, tells "Rzeczpospolita". He adds that such signals flow from Warsaw, among others. Indeed, the capital's council confirms that "preparations for the distribution of tablets containing potassium iodide are being made in the event of an emergency due to a radiation leak". "The above is carried out by the town hall in close coordination with the regional offices, preparing distribution points in the regions (indicated by the mayors) and designating coordinators responsible for carrying out the action in the region" emphasizes Jakub Leduchowski, representative for the city of Warsaw. "The spread of potassium iodide is linked to hostilities in the area of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant ," adds Rzeczpospolita. But this is not absolute… "The distribution of the pills will start after the adoption of Mazowiecki's decree," said the press secretary of Warsaw judge Jakub Leduchowski. https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ektakto-rosiko-mme-o-v-poutin-tha-diavei-ton-rouvikona-tha-einai-kati-pou-den-to-echoun-zisei-oi-zontanes-genies-ton-politon-mas/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp Russian media: "B.Putin will cross the Rubicon - It will be something that the living generations of our country's citizens have not experienced" "We are fast approaching the fateful decision of our modern history" - 24/09/2022 - 22:27 The Russian media is causing a shock, preparing the people for a " fatal decision in the modern history of Russia, something that the living generations of the citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet faced", noting that B.Putin will cross the Rubicon again. It is obvious that the Russians are talking about using tactical nuclear weapons. They specifically mention: "B. Putin will cross the Rubicon again" Julius Caesar, from whom this expression actually originated, crossed the Rubicon only once. Vladimir Putin has done it many times. The original Rubicon took place in 2014, at the time of the reunification of Russia and Crimea and the start of the Donbass uprising. Putin's second Rubicon is, of course, February 2022. And finally, we observe the third crossing of the Rubicon by the President of the Russian Federation, the last ten days of September and, possibly, the first ten days of October. Vladimir Putin's partial mobilization decree had a powerful impact. However, this decree is only one element of a large body of decisions, only a part of which is currently known to the public. Russia's leader has clearly formulated a radically new political strategy. In the coming days, or weeks at most, we'll find out exactly what that strategy is. I want to remind you that after the ratification of the official results of the referendums and other related procedures from the point of view of Russian legislation, Donetsk, Melitopol and Zaporizhia will acquire the same status as other parts of our country, such as Moscow, St. Petersburg or Kaliningrad. Ukraine, of course, will not recognize the new status quo and will not give up trying to recover its "lost territories" by military means. Now, however, the Kremlin will interpret such attempts as an attack "on the territorial integrity of our homeland, on our independence and freedom." "We are fast approaching something fatal" Question: how exactly will such Ukrainian attempts be stopped? Part of the answer to this question is contained in the very fact of the appearance of a presidential order for partial conscription. But is this partial answer really complete and unique? Today I would not dare to give at least some clear answer to this question. Vladimir Putin left himself a very large margin of maneuver when making a decision - perhaps the most fatal decision in the modern history of our country (and not only). At present, there are no official indications that the Russian authorities are ready to abandon the term "special military operation". But here is an excerpt from Vladimir Putin's recent speech: " In Washington, London, Brussels, they are directly pressuring Kiev to transfer military operations to our territory. No longer hiding, they say that Russia must be defeated by all means on the battlefield, followed by deprivation of political, economic, cultural, in general, all sovereignty, with complete plunder of our country. Therefore, I will speak very carefully. It's entirely possible—just likely, not guaranteed—that we're fast approaching something very fatal. For example, official Kyiv, under the pressure of force majeure circumstances, will still be forced to make a clear choice. To continue the attacks. But in any case, we are definitely on the verge of something unprecedented, it is not clear what exactly, but it is something that the living generations of citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet faced. What N. Peskov said: At this point, the Russians summarize the recent statements of N. Medvedev and the representative of the Kremlin "Russia will consider Ukraine's attempts to retake Donbass and other territories as attacks on its territories if the referendums held there produce 'positive results,'" the Russian presidency spokesperson told the media. "It goes without saying," he replied, when asked what would happen if, in the event of a positive (for Moscow) referendum result, all attempts by Kiev to retake these territories would be seen as attacks on Russia. Peskov explained that "immediately (after the decision to join Russia) the Constitution of Russia will come into force in relation to these territories." "Everything is very clear on this matter," he said. "If there is an act of accession to Russia, then, accordingly, the relevant provisions of our Constitution will come into force, " he interpreted according to TASS. It is noted that Russian military doctrine provides for the use of nuclear weapons if Russian territory is attacked, and this will apply to the Kremlin, even if no one in the world has recognized the new border. ************* WHAT, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN? Putin & Russia are cornered by USA, UK and NATO (in military terms), and by EU country members (except Hungary) in other terms. For me, it's clear that Russia has depleted his arsenal of conventional weapons (in particular missiles), and that can't afford to engage in an "all out war" against Ukraine + NATO. By 2014, Putin recognized that Russia couldn't face a conventional war with NATO, so HE WOULD RESORT TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. And this was true since late 1990s, after Yeltsin actions to LET RUSSIA INVADED BY THE WEST, ECONOMICALLY. Putin, somehow, restored partially the military power of Russia (Kaliber, Sarmat, black hole subs, etc.), but lags behind west big time (in particular in microelectronics and MONEY). So, it's cheaper and fatally certain the utility of tactical (for now) nuclear weapons of low yield over Ukraine (1-2 KTon). But this will open the door to preemptive nuclear strikes from FUKUS, then Russia "dead hand" is activated. End of Northern Hemisphere soon?
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| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-26 09:33 -0700 |
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On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 6:06:01 PM UTC-3, Richard Hertz wrote: > On Saturday, September 24, 2022 at 4:59:48 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > JanPB wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > JanPB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > > > > > > > > > > > Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > > > > > > > > > > > Putin has *already* made the decision. > > > > > > > > > > Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > > > > > Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > > > > > move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > > > > > financial help in the future, etc.) > > > > > > > > > > But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > > > > > psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > > > > > Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > > > > > experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > > > > > experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > > > > > > > > > Same goes for the media. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Jan > > > > "gangster"???? > > > > > > > > All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. > > > > > > But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as > > > some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > > > > > > > All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. > > > > > > Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the > > > order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's > > > random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or > > > Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > > > > > > > President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. > > > > > > Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? > > > Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that > > > "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front > > > of the judge. > > > > > > > Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? > > > > > > Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of > > > content. > > > > > > Etc. > > > > > > -- > > > Jan > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view... > > > > > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told > > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO > > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a > > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense > > > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such > > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the > > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be > > met > > > > > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction > > > > > > > > > > What's it all about, Ukraine... > > > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing. > > > > It's about atomic bombs. > > > > Albert Einstein said > > that what is needed > > is to put atomic bombs > > pointing to places like Russia. > > > > The Ukraine guy said if > > i cannot be part of NATO > > then I will put atomic bombs > > pointing at Russia. > > > > Russia said, "I cannot have that." > > > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine > > before it happens. > > > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if > > they have atomic bombs pointing > > at them) > > > > > > The USA told > > Ukraine > > give up all your > > atomic bombs > > and you will be protected. > > > > It was a lie. > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > These are fresh news from a "serious" site at Greece. They have had accurate predictions since Feb 24: > > https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/i-polonia-etoimazetai-gia-pyriniki-katastrofi-o-b-poutin-epikyronei-tin-pebti-tin-allagi-synoron-paradidei-telesigrafo-stous-oukranous/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp > > Poland is preparing for a nuclear disaster: B. Putin approves the border change on Thursday & delivers an ultimatum to Ukraine... > "Fast-track" breakup of Ukraine - 24/09/2022 - 22:57 > > With "fast-track" procedures comes the dissolution of Ukraine, as the Russian State Duma (Lower House) will debate next Thursday, September 29, the bills that integrate the 4 former Ukrainian regions in which the referendums are now being held. > > Therefore, immediately after the end of the referendums on the 27th of the month in Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhia and Kherson, the ratification of the border change will follow on the 29th of September. > > A little later, the president of Russia, B. Putin, is expected to deliver a new speech in which he will declare martial law and deliver an ultimatum to the Ukrainians to leave within 24 hours from the territories that now belong to Russia. > > Otherwise, Russia will declare war on Ukraine, abolishing the term "special military operation" and all that it implies. It will be total war. > > Russian President Vladimir Putin may address the Federal Assembly on September 30, according to reports. > > Around then, the Russian ultimatum is expected to be delivered to the Ukrainians. > > In this way, the publication of WarNews247 two months ago about the "fast-track" dissolution of Ukraine will be confirmed. > > Read also: Dissolution of Ukraine with "fast-track" procedures: An emergency meeting of the Duma was called by B. Putin - Dramatic developments are coming! > > On Thursday, the borders of Russia and Ukraine change! > In more detail, the Russian State Duma (Lower House) will debate next Thursday, September 29, bills that integrate parts of Ukraine into Russia, the Russian news agency TASS reported today, citing an anonymous source. > > The TASS telegram was relayed by Reuters. > > Moscow began holding referendums on joining Russia in four occupied regions of Ukraine on Friday, prompting condemnation from Kyiv and the West, which dismissed the votes as fraudulent and vowed not to recognize their results. > > Voting is expected to conclude on Tuesday. > > The Russian news agency TASS has already provided a first image from the referendums. > > According to his report, the first day of the referendum in the Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics went smoothly. > > At the same time, both republics reported shelling from Ukraine. > > In fact, one person was killed west of Donetsk, while in the town of Rubiznoye in the Lugansk People's Republic, people were forced to vote in a shelter. > > Due to the possibility of Ukrainian strikes, some polling stations, notably those in Alchevsk and Severodonetsk, closed earlier than expected. > > How many voted? > > More than 20% of citizens were reported to have voted in the Donbas republics (Donetsk and Lugansk) by 20:00 on Friday. > > 23.64% of those registered in the electoral rolls in the Donetsk People's Republic and 21.97% of those registered in the Lugansk People's Republic participated in the vote. > > According to TASS, 15.31% of voters participated in the process in Kherson region and 20.52% in Zaporizhia. > > They are handing out potassium iodide tablets in Polish schools! > "Poland has begun to prepare for a nuclear disaster," reports the newspaper Rzeczpospolita, which adds that " schools in Poland are preparing to distribute potassium iodide tablets to children" due to the escalation in Ukraine. > > Such information exists, among others, from Warsaw. There, the Metropolitan City Council reported that "preparations are underway to distribute tablets containing potassium iodide in case of a radiation emergency." > > School principals have been informed that they can participate in the distribution of protective equipment from the effects of radiation. > > Potassium iodide is a substance that blocks the absorption of radioactive iodine-131. It is given in the event of a radiation emergency and may involve school principals. This is the result of a briefing given to principals at the National Association of Teaching Staff. > > "They inform us of meetings during which they are required by the municipalities to distribute tablets in case of a possible threat. Some people hear that they will have six hours for such a distribution from the announcement of the alarm, although it is not certain whether the procedure will be the same everywhere," Marek Pleśniar, director of the OSKKO office, tells "Rzeczpospolita". > > He adds that such signals flow from Warsaw, among others. Indeed, the capital's council confirms that "preparations for the distribution of tablets containing potassium iodide are being made in the event of an emergency due to a radiation leak". > > "The above is carried out by the town hall in close coordination with the regional offices, preparing distribution points in the regions (indicated by the mayors) and designating coordinators responsible for carrying out the action in the region" emphasizes Jakub Leduchowski, representative for the city of Warsaw. > > "The spread of potassium iodide is linked to hostilities in the area of the Zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant ," adds Rzeczpospolita. But this is not absolute… > > "The distribution of the pills will start after the adoption of Mazowiecki's decree," said the press secretary of Warsaw judge Jakub Leduchowski. > > > > > https://warnews247-gr.translate.goog/ektakto-rosiko-mme-o-v-poutin-tha-diavei-ton-rouvikona-tha-einai-kati-pou-den-to-echoun-zisei-oi-zontanes-genies-ton-politon-mas/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp > > Russian media: "B.Putin will cross the Rubicon - It will be something that the living generations of our country's citizens have not experienced" > "We are fast approaching the fateful decision of our modern history" - 24/09/2022 - 22:27 > > > The Russian media is causing a shock, preparing the people for a " fatal decision in the modern history of Russia, something that the living generations of the citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet faced", noting that B.Putin will cross the Rubicon again. > > It is obvious that the Russians are talking about using tactical nuclear weapons. > > They specifically mention: > > "B. Putin will cross the Rubicon again" > Julius Caesar, from whom this expression actually originated, crossed the Rubicon only once. Vladimir Putin has done it many times. The original Rubicon took place in 2014, at the time of the reunification of Russia and Crimea and the start of the Donbass uprising. > > Putin's second Rubicon is, of course, February 2022. > > And finally, we observe the third crossing of the Rubicon by the President of the Russian Federation, the last ten days of September and, possibly, the first ten days of October. > > Vladimir Putin's partial mobilization decree had a powerful impact. However, this decree is only one element of a large body of decisions, only a part of which is currently known to the public. > > Russia's leader has clearly formulated a radically new political strategy. In the coming days, or weeks at most, we'll find out exactly what that strategy is. > > I want to remind you that after the ratification of the official results of the referendums and other related procedures from the point of view of Russian legislation, Donetsk, Melitopol and Zaporizhia will acquire the same status as other parts of our country, such as Moscow, St. Petersburg or Kaliningrad. > > Ukraine, of course, will not recognize the new status quo and will not give up trying to recover its "lost territories" by military means. Now, however, the Kremlin will interpret such attempts as an attack "on the territorial integrity of our homeland, on our independence and freedom." > > "We are fast approaching something fatal" > Question: how exactly will such Ukrainian attempts be stopped? Part of the answer to this question is contained in the very fact of the appearance of a presidential order for partial conscription. But is this partial answer really complete and unique? > > Today I would not dare to give at least some clear answer to this question. > > Vladimir Putin left himself a very large margin of maneuver when making a decision - perhaps the most fatal decision in the modern history of our country (and not only). > > At present, there are no official indications that the Russian authorities are ready to abandon the term "special military operation". But here is an excerpt from Vladimir Putin's recent speech: > > " In Washington, London, Brussels, they are directly pressuring Kiev to transfer military operations to our territory. No longer hiding, they say that Russia must be defeated by all means on the battlefield, followed by deprivation of political, economic, cultural, in general, all sovereignty, with complete plunder of our country. > > Therefore, I will speak very carefully. It's entirely possible—just likely, not guaranteed—that we're fast approaching something very fatal. > > For example, official Kyiv, under the pressure of force majeure circumstances, will still be forced to make a clear choice. To continue the attacks. > > But in any case, we are definitely on the verge of something unprecedented, it is not clear what exactly, but it is something that the living generations of citizens of the Russian Federation have not yet faced. > > What N. Peskov said: At this point, the Russians summarize the recent statements of N. Medvedev and the representative of the Kremlin > > > "Russia will consider Ukraine's attempts to retake Donbass and other territories as attacks on its territories if the referendums held there produce 'positive results,'" the Russian presidency spokesperson told the media. > > "It goes without saying," he replied, when asked what would happen if, in the event of a positive (for Moscow) referendum result, all attempts by Kiev to retake these territories would be seen as attacks on Russia. > > Peskov explained that "immediately (after the decision to join Russia) the Constitution of Russia will come into force in relation to these territories." > > "Everything is very clear on this matter," he said. "If there is an act of accession to Russia, then, accordingly, the relevant provisions of our Constitution will come into force, " he interpreted according to TASS. > > It is noted that Russian military doctrine provides for the use of nuclear weapons if Russian territory is attacked, and this will apply to the Kremlin, even if no one in the world has recognized the new border. > > ************* > > WHAT, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN? > > Putin & Russia are cornered by USA, UK and NATO (in military terms), and by EU country members (except Hungary) in other terms. > > For me, it's clear that Russia has depleted his arsenal of conventional weapons (in particular missiles), and that can't afford to engage > in an "all out war" against Ukraine + NATO. > > By 2014, Putin recognized that Russia couldn't face a conventional war with NATO, so HE WOULD RESORT TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS. > > And this was true since late 1990s, after Yeltsin actions to LET RUSSIA INVADED BY THE WEST, ECONOMICALLY. > > Putin, somehow, restored partially the military power of Russia (Kaliber, Sarmat, black hole subs, etc.), but lags behind west big time > (in particular in microelectronics and MONEY). > > So, it's cheaper and fatally certain the utility of tactical (for now) nuclear weapons of low yield over Ukraine (1-2 KTon). > > But this will open the door to preemptive nuclear strikes from FUKUS, then Russia "dead hand" is activated. > > End of Northern Hemisphere soon? ❗Putin gave Russian citizenship to Edward Snowden, first time on this morning.
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| From | Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-09-29 23:06 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <th5tgg$u13f$3@dont-email.me> |
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The Starmaker wrote: > JanPB wrote: >> >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>> JanPB wrote: >>>> >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... >>>>> >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. >>>>> >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision. >>>> >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of >>>> financial help in the future, etc.) >>>> >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians. >>>> >>>> Same goes for the media. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jan >>> "gangster"???? >>> >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. >> >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar. >> >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. >> >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. >> >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. >> >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front >> of the judge. >> >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? >> >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of >> content. >> >> Etc. >> >> -- >> Jan > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view... > > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be > met > > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction > > > > > What's it all about, Ukraine... > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing. > > It's about atomic bombs. > > Albert Einstein said > that what is needed > is to put atomic bombs > pointing to places like Russia. > > The Ukraine guy said if > i cannot be part of NATO > then I will put atomic bombs > pointing at Russia. > > Russia said, "I cannot have that." > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine > before it happens. > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if > they have atomic bombs pointing > at them) > > > The USA told > Ukraine > give up all your > atomic bombs > and you will be protected. > > It was a lie. What you said is the lie. https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned. While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little convincing historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be considered, including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have been able to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or politically.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-29 23:06 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63368751.5074@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #592580 |
Gronk wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > JanPB wrote: > >> > >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > >>> JanPB wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > >>>>> > >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > >>>>> > >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision. > >>>> > >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > >>>> financial help in the future, etc.) > >>>> > >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians. > >>>> > >>>> Same goes for the media. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Jan > >>> "gangster"???? > >>> > >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. > >> > >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as > >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > >> > >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. > >> > >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the > >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's > >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or > >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > >> > >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. > >> > >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? > >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that > >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front > >> of the judge. > >> > >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? > >> > >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of > >> content. > >> > >> Etc. > >> > >> -- > >> Jan > > > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view... > > > > > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told > > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO > > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a > > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense > > > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such > > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the > > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be > > met > > > > > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction > > > > > > > > > > What's it all about, Ukraine... > > > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing. > > > > It's about atomic bombs. > > > > Albert Einstein said > > that what is needed > > is to put atomic bombs > > pointing to places like Russia. > > > > The Ukraine guy said if > > i cannot be part of NATO > > then I will put atomic bombs > > pointing at Russia. > > > > Russia said, "I cannot have that." > > > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine > > before it happens. > > > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if > > they have atomic bombs pointing > > at them) > > > > > > The USA told > > Ukraine > > give up all your > > atomic bombs > > and you will be protected. > > > > It was a lie. > > What you said is the lie. Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world. Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize. In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. "guarantee Ukraine's security"???? The USA told Ukraine give up all your atomic bombs and you will be protected. Is anybody protecting Ukraine? They got fucked. If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you.... -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
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| Date | 2022-09-29 23:22 -0700 |
| Message-ID | <63368B1E.2C7E@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #592584 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Gronk wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > JanPB wrote: > > >> > > >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>> JanPB wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: > > >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision. > > >>>> > > >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his > > >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete > > >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of > > >>>> financial help in the future, etc.) > > >>>> > > >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to > > >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. > > >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much > > >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their > > >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians. > > >>>> > > >>>> Same goes for the media. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Jan > > >>> "gangster"???? > > >>> > > >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. > > >> > > >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as > > >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar. > > >> > > >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. > > >> > > >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the > > >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's > > >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or > > >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. > > >> > > >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. > > >> > > >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? > > >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that > > >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front > > >> of the judge. > > >> > > >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? > > >> > > >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of > > >> content. > > >> > > >> Etc. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Jan > > > > > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view... > > > > > > > > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told > > > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO > > > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a > > > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense > > > > > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such > > > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the > > > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be > > > met > > > > > > > > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What's it all about, Ukraine... > > > > > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing. > > > > > > It's about atomic bombs. > > > > > > Albert Einstein said > > > that what is needed > > > is to put atomic bombs > > > pointing to places like Russia. > > > > > > The Ukraine guy said if > > > i cannot be part of NATO > > > then I will put atomic bombs > > > pointing at Russia. > > > > > > Russia said, "I cannot have that." > > > > > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine > > > before it happens. > > > > > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if > > > they have atomic bombs pointing > > > at them) > > > > > > > > > The USA told > > > Ukraine > > > give up all your > > > atomic bombs > > > and you will be protected. > > > > > > It was a lie. > > > > What you said is the lie. > > Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world. > > Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize. > > In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. > > "guarantee Ukraine's security"???? > > The USA told > Ukraine > give up all your > atomic bombs > and you will be protected. > > Is anybody protecting Ukraine? > > They got fucked. > > If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you.... > It is clear that Ukrainians knew they weren't getting the exactly legally binding, really robust security guarantees they sought. But they were told at the time that the United States and Western powers — so certainly at least the United States and Great Britain — take their political commitments really seriously. This is a document signed at the highest level by the heads of state. So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one. https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion The USA FUCKED the Ukraines! There are two kinds of people in the world...those who fuck, and those who get fucked. Ukraine Got Fucked. and the russian soldiers are saying...where are all the pretty young ukrainian women???? > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
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| From | Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> |
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| Date | 2022-10-02 22:41 -0600 |
| Message-ID | <thdp5j$23e2f$2@dont-email.me> |
| In reply to | #592584 |
The Starmaker wrote: > Gronk wrote: >> >> The Starmaker wrote: >>> JanPB wrote: >>>> >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>> JanPB wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote: >>>>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his >>>>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete >>>>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of >>>>>> financial help in the future, etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to >>>>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt. >>>>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much >>>>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their >>>>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians. >>>>>> >>>>>> Same goes for the media. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jan >>>>> "gangster"???? >>>>> >>>>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters. >>>> >>>> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as >>>> some dude stealing a chocolate bar. >>>> >>>>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'. >>>> >>>> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the >>>> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's >>>> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or >>>> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this. >>>> >>>>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize. >>>> >>>> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly? >>>> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that >>>> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front >>>> of the judge. >>>> >>>>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters?? >>>> >>>> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of >>>> content. >>>> >>>> Etc. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jan >>> >>> You need to understand from Putin's point of view... >>> >>> >>> On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told >>> Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO >>> member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a >>> non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense >>> >>> In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such >>> sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the >>> Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be >>> met >>> >>> >>> "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you." >>> >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine >>> >>> >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> What's it all about, Ukraine... >>> >>> It's all Albert Einstein's doing. >>> >>> It's about atomic bombs. >>> >>> Albert Einstein said >>> that what is needed >>> is to put atomic bombs >>> pointing to places like Russia. >>> >>> The Ukraine guy said if >>> i cannot be part of NATO >>> then I will put atomic bombs >>> pointing at Russia. >>> >>> Russia said, "I cannot have that." >>> >>> So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine >>> before it happens. >>> >>> (Russia won't invade Ukraine if >>> they have atomic bombs pointing >>> at them) >>> >>> >>> The USA told >>> Ukraine >>> give up all your >>> atomic bombs >>> and you will be protected. >>> >>> It was a lie. >> >> What you said is the lie. > > Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world. No, they weren't > Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize. Wrong. Again. https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned. While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little convincing historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be considered, including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have been able to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or politically. > In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. > > > > "guarantee Ukraine's security"???? > > > The USA told > Ukraine > give up all your > atomic bombs > and you will be protected. > > > Is anybody protecting Ukraine? > > > They got fucked. > > If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you.... > > > > > > > >
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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
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| Date | 2022-10-03 07:12 -0500 |
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The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot. On 10/2/2022 11:41 PM, Gronk wrote: > Starmaker babbled: >> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow >> after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that >> followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize. > > Wrong. Again. > > > https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons > > When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of > former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental > ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it > decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear > weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove > former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed > the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as > a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material > took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred > to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned. > > While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had > Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little > convincing > historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons > definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be > considered, > including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even > just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have > been able > to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or > politically. > > > >> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's >> security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. >> >> >> >> "guarantee Ukraine's security"???? >> >> >> The USA told >> Ukraine >> give up all your >> atomic bombs >> and you will be protected. >> >> >> Is anybody protecting Ukraine? >> >> >> They got fucked. >> >> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
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