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| From | whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... |
| Date | 2022-10-03 07:12 -0500 |
| Message-ID | <jq01snFh1aaU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (3 earlier) <0452d513-a11b-458c-ab32-df6f6cfc5e8en@googlegroups.com> <632EB90B.411F@ix.netcom.com> <th5tgg$u13f$3@dont-email.me> <63368751.5074@ix.netcom.com> <thdp5j$23e2f$2@dont-email.me> |
Cross-posted to 3 groups.
The actual history, whatever it was, is actually moot. On 10/2/2022 11:41 PM, Gronk wrote: > Starmaker babbled: >> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow >> after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that >> followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize. > > Wrong. Again. > > > https://www.icanw.org/did_ukraine_give_up_nuclear_weapons > > When the Soviet Union broke up in 1991, there were thousands of > former Soviet nuclear warheads, as well as hundreds of intercontinental > ballistic missiles and bombers, left on Ukraine’s territory, which it > decided to transfer to Russia. Ukraine never had an independent nuclear > weapons arsenal, or control over these weapons, but agreed to remove > former Soviet weapons stationed on its territory. In 1992, Ukraine signed > the Lisbon Protocol and it joined the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as > a non-nuclear weapon state in 1994. The transfer of all nuclear material > took some time, but by 2001, all nuclear weapons had been transferred > to Russia to be dismantled and all launch silos decommissioned. > > While some may ask if Russia would have invaded Ukraine if it still had > Soviet nuclear weapons stationed on its territory, there is little > convincing > historical evidence that the possession or presence of nuclear weapons > definitively prevents conflict, when many other variables may be > considered, > including the prohibition of the use of force under the UN Charter or even > just luck. Even beyond this, it is not clear that Ukraine would have > been able > to take control of former Soviet nuclear weapons, technically or > politically. > > > >> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's >> security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum. >> >> >> >> "guarantee Ukraine's security"???? >> >> >> The USA told >> Ukraine >> give up all your >> atomic bombs >> and you will be protected. >> >> >> Is anybody protecting Ukraine? >> >> >> They got fucked. >> >> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
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Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 13:12 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-23 22:01 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-09-24 01:00 -0700
Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-09-29 23:06 -0600
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Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... Gronk <invalide@invalid.invalid> - 2022-10-02 22:41 -0600
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Re: Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely... whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2022-10-11 05:04 -0500
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