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The Starmaker wrote:
> 
> Gronk wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > JanPB wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 10:01:02 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>> JanPB wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Friday, September 23, 2022 at 1:12:01 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
> > >>>>> Russian state TV tells viewers nuke war likely...
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Putin threatens to use The BOMB.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Putin has *already* made the decision.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Putin will almost certainly be "liquidated" by his
> > >>>> Kremlin courtiers the instant he makes a more concrete
> > >>>> move in that direction (and probably with China's promise of
> > >>>> financial help in the future, etc.)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But for now Putin, being a former KGB agent, knows how to
> > >>>> psychologically play an abysmally weak hand he's been dealt.
> > >>>> Unfortunately, many western politicians do not have much
> > >>>> experience how to deal with that type of gangster, their
> > >>>> experience has been mostly with other politicians.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Same goes for the media.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Jan
> > >>> "gangster"????
> > >>>
> > >>> All governmnets are run by a gangster or gangsters.
> > >>
> > >> But order of magnitude is paramount. Hitler is not the same as
> > >> some dude stealing a chocolate bar.
> > >>
> > >>> All governments are in the 'protection racket business'.
> > >>
> > >> Yes but it's not saying anything because, again, it ignores the
> > >> order of magnitude. Obviously, at some magnification level that's
> > >> random enough, everyone is equal, be it Mother Theresa or
> > >> Dick Cheney. There is zero information content in a statement like this.
> > >>
> > >>> President Biden, his son Hunter Biden, and their whole fuckin family are running a criminal enterprize.
> > >>
> > >> Sure but how does that excuse Putin from invading Ukraine, exactly?
> > >> Try robbing a bank and telling the policeman who caught you that
> > >> "Putin does worse". See how much mileage you get from it in front
> > >> of the judge.
> > >>
> > >>> Aren't all the governments on earth run by a gangster or gangsters??
> > >>
> > >> Again, this evens-out all the criteria so the claim becomes devoid of
> > >> content.
> > >>
> > >> Etc.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Jan
> > >
> > > You need to understand from Putin's point of view...
> > >
> > >
> > > On April 15, 2021 Andriy Melnyk, Ukrainian ambassador to Germany, told
> > > Deutschlandfunk radio that if Ukraine was not allowed to become a NATO
> > > member, his country might have to reconsider its status as a
> > > non-nuclear weapon state to guarantee its defense
> > >
> > > In February 2022, Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky renewed such
> > > sentiments, suggesting that Ukraine would potentially view the
> > > Budapest Memorandum as invalid should its security guarantees not be
> > > met
> > >
> > >
> > > "If you have nuclear weapons, people don't invade you."
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What's it all about, Ukraine...
> > >
> > > It's all Albert Einstein's doing.
> > >
> > > It's about atomic bombs.
> > >
> > > Albert Einstein said
> > > that what is needed
> > > is to put atomic bombs
> > > pointing to places like Russia.
> > >
> > > The Ukraine guy said if
> > > i cannot be part of NATO
> > > then I will put atomic bombs
> > > pointing at Russia.
> > >
> > > Russia said, "I cannot have that."
> > >
> > > So, Russia needed to grab Ukraine
> > > before it happens.
> > >
> > > (Russia won't invade Ukraine if
> > > they have atomic bombs pointing
> > > at them)
> > >
> > >
> > > The USA told
> > >   Ukraine
> > > give up all your
> > > atomic bombs
> > > and you will be protected.
> > >
> > > It was a lie.
> >
> > What you said is the lie.
> 
> Three decades ago, the newly independent country of Ukraine was briefly the third-largest nuclear power in the world.
> 
> Thousands of nuclear arms had been left on Ukrainian soil by Moscow after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. But in the years that followed, Ukraine made the decision to completely denuclearize.
> 
> In exchange, the U.S., the U.K. and Russia would guarantee Ukraine's security in a 1994 agreement known as the Budapest Memorandum.
> 
> "guarantee Ukraine's security"????
> 
> The USA told
>    Ukraine
>  give up all your
>  atomic bombs
>  and you will be protected.
> 
> Is anybody protecting Ukraine?
> 
> They got fucked.
> 
> If the USA tells you to turn in your guns and they will protect you....
> 

It is clear that Ukrainians knew they weren't getting the exactly legally binding, really robust security guarantees they sought.

But they were told at the time that the United States and Western powers — so certainly at least the United States and Great Britain — take their political commitments really seriously. 
This is a document signed at the highest level by the heads of state. So the implication was Ukraine would not be left to stand alone and face a threat should it come under one.


https://www.npr.org/2022/02/21/1082124528/ukraine-russia-putin-invasion


The USA FUCKED the Ukraines!


There are two kinds of people in the world...those who fuck, and those who get fucked.


Ukraine Got Fucked.


and the russian soldiers are saying...where are all the pretty young ukrainian women????










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>  to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
>  the unchallengeable.

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