Groups | Search | Server Info | Keyboard shortcuts | Login | Register [http] [https] [nntp] [nntps]
Groups > sci.physics.relativity > #579060 > unrolled thread
| Started by | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| First post | 2022-02-27 17:02 -0800 |
| Last post | 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000 |
| Articles | 20 on this page of 65 — 10 participants |
Back to article view | Back to sci.physics.relativity
Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 17:02 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 21:05 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-27 22:38 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 23:33 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 05:36 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 18:51 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-28 21:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 22:03 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-02-28 22:33 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 22:45 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 23:01 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 04:43 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 05:22 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 05:29 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 13:47 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 06:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 15:13 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 09:24 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 21:58 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-02 20:16 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 21:12 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-02 23:47 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-03 20:20 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-03 20:38 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-03 22:11 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-04 17:15 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 15:08 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 15:55 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-05 23:22 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 12:32 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-06 13:18 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 13:48 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-07 13:56 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 01:25 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 10:58 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 15:19 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> - 2022-03-08 23:40 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-03-08 16:14 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-09 06:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 04:41 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-05 09:05 -0500
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 18:22 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-03-05 10:47 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 19:13 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-05 11:31 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Darin Herr <dh@yahoo.com> - 2022-03-05 20:03 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-03-06 14:10 -0500
Re: Philosophy and physics Ober Corn <nm@cvslm.ca> - 2022-03-06 21:12 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 14:09 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:08 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:10 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 07:19 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-07 15:01 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 03:28 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 14:06 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-02-28 22:24 +0100
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-27 21:15 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 20:42 -0800
Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-01 12:23 +0000
Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 Next page →
| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-01 09:24 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <b91013ea-65ea-4bed-b819-ba00844c2177n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579199 |
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 7:13:19 AM UTC-8, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:47:54 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > >> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 10:12:13 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 9:23:50 AM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> Richard Hertz <hert...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> <snip> > >>>>> > >>>>>>> and do any of this from 8 AM to 5 PM, exactly (Central Time, UTC-6 Winter > >>>>>>> Time), south of 36° latitude?. > >>>>> > >>>>>> What time is it now? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Good morning! > >>>>> > >>>>> For you: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 06:23:47AM (UTC-6 for you). 07:23:47AM > >>>>> (UTC-5, discounting injection time). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> And what time of day, local time, do you post? > >>>> -- > >>>> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > >>> > >>> Bodkin, you just had to google Argentina UTC time! > >>> > >>> I'm at UTC-3, summer time. Same time is for Paparios, at Chile. > >> That’s not what I asked. When are your posting hours? > >> If it helps to put this in context, I do use a VPN. > >> That whole business about the 36th parallel was pretty funny. > >>> > >>> So, you have to add 3 hours to your local time until Sunday, March 13. > >>> Then, you'll have to add only 2 hours until Sunday, November 6. > >>> > >>> > >> -- > >> Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables > > > > I know that you are using a VPN. The same free VPN that Moroney uses, and > > probably he taught to you about it since Day 1. > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote > routing IP. > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > Your relaying node is 46.165.242.75, in Germany. But it does have a catch. > > > > Anyways, I just used critical analysis. Dont worry, your identity is almost safe. > > > > But I advise you to take a visit to Aioe.org NNTP Server, and check: > > > > https://news.aioe.org/ > > > > Check TOOLS and also STATISTICS. Just saying. It's a free server and sell > > contents and user's data. In this way they profit and survive. > > > > And regarding your question, that you repeated: I don't understand what > > you mean. I post here to the next available NNTP server in > > an straight connection. I don't even know where it is. But Argentina, as > > well Chile, is an small country and almost every gateway to > > abroad, at IP level, is located at Santiago and Buenos Aires. It's a > > classic configuration for star topologies. > > > > US uses mesh topologies, which makes more difficult to understand traffic > > path, but IPv4 is based on OSPF, so it says all. > > > > Anyways, I'm just trolling you. I was reading historic posts and wanted > > to see how deep is the database. It goes up to 1993, and I > > laugh seen Moroney and Andersen spending half of their lives here. Paul > > goes back to 1998, minimum, when he was about 46-48. > > > > Incredible readings on the golden period, until Dono appeared by 2006 (LOL). > > > > I sugest you to try to search discussions like the speed of gravity or > > speed of electric fields in a pair production. > > > > I have to leave now, for the rest of the day. > > > > > -- > Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks/m/44S_A-wdBwAJ What's the Message-Id? The "news" protocol has been around a long time.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-01 21:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <03b84cd7-ec6d-4705-a502-86c9da156849n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579199 |
On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: <snip> > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your packets through the Internet. Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching on their database of articles (or posts). You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-02 20:16 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6220413B.6028@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579238 |
Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > <snip> > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > packets through the Internet. > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > on their database of articles (or posts). > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. Do you know How to do a UDP? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-02 21:12 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <d702254a-512e-4bd3-8df7-71cd30553b84n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579297 |
On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > packets through the Internet. > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > Do you know How to do a UDP? > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-02 23:47 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <62207290.6A99@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579303 |
Richard Hertz wrote: > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > -- > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > and challenge > > the unchallengeable. > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol I meant this UDP... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-03 20:20 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6221937C.3BA9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579311 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > I meant this UDP... > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know how to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you ever used one? -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-03 20:38 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <f5239b56-347e-413a-8f80-a8722bbcfd1cn@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579397 |
On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > -- > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > I meant this UDP... > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > how > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > ever used one? > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between unix hosts, with several routing protocols. Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-03 22:11 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6221AD90.773@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579399 |
Richard Hertz wrote:
>
> On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > --
> > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > and challenge
> > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > >
> > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > >
> > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > >
> > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > >
> > > I meant this UDP...
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > how
> > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > ever used one?
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
>
> Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
Step by step here...
UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
A cancel bot.
In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
ever shop up on Usenet.
UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
here's a sample"
Xref: feenix.metronet.com news.admin.technical:179
Path:
feenix.metronet.com!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!not-for-mail
From: rsalz@uunet.uu.net (Rich Salz)
Newsgroups: news.admin.technical
Subject: Usenet Death Penalty
Date: 18 Aug 1993 20:06:50 -0400
Organization: UUNET Communications
Lines: 85
Sender: zorch@ftp.UU.NET
Approved: zorch@uunet.UU.NET
Distribution: world
Message-ID: <24ug6qINN1f1@ftp.UU.NET>
NNTP-Posting-Host: ftp.uu.net
Cancel wars seem to be on the rise. It's too bad people aren't more
mature -- it's on the same level as urinating in the public swimming
pool. At the risk of adding to the amount of waste, here is what some
might consider to be the final word on the matter. It's a Perl script
intended to be run as a real-time feed by INN. It should be able to
cancel articles within seconds after they hit your site.
/r$
#! /usr/bin/perl
## Usenet death penalty; Rich $alz <rsalz@uunet.uu.net>, April 93.
## Original name and concept by Eliot Lear, years ago.
##
## Typical use is via this entry in newsfeeds file:
## udp:*:Tc,WO:.../udp [flags] 'rsalz@.*.uu.net'
## Flags are '-global' to post cancel messages (default just removes
## articles from your local spool) and '-debug' to send cancels to
## stdout. First (and only) arg is Perl regexp to match against From
## line; to kill multiple people use the | meta-char.
## Parse JCL.
$local = 1;
$production = 1;
args: while ( $_ = $ARGV[0], /^-/ ) {
shift;
if ( $_ eq '-debug' ) {
$production = 0;
next args;
}
if ( $_ eq '-global' ) {
$local = 0;
next args;
}
die 'Bad flag\n';
}
$who = shift || die 'Not enough args.\n';
shift && die 'Too many args.\n';
## Set header values if we're going to be posting.
if ( $local == 0 ) {
$pathhost = `innconfval pathhost`;
chop($pathhost);
@pw = getpwuid($<);
$canceller = $pathhost . '!' . $pw[0];
($sec, $min, $hour, $mday, $mon, $year, $wday, $yday, $isdst) =
gmtime;
$year += 1900;
$monthname = substr('JanFebMarAprMayJunJulAugSepOctNovDec', $mon *
3, 3);
$date = "$mday $monthname $year $hour:$min:$sec GMT";
}
## Main loop; process each line.
line: while ( <STDIN> ) {
next line unless ( $paths, $subj, $from, $xdate, $msgid ) =
split('\t', $_);
next line unless $from =~ /$who/io;
if ( $local ) {
foreach ( split(' ', $paths) ) {
unlink $_
|| warn "Can't unlink $_ $!";
}
} else {
open(FH, '|rnews') && select FH
if $production;
$myid = $msgid;
$myid =~ s/</<cancel-/;
print 'Newsgroups: news.admin
Path: ', $canceller, '
Subject: cmsg cancel ', $msgid, '
Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
From: ', $from, '
Date: ', $date, '
Message-ID: ', $myid, '
';
close(FH)
if $production;
}
}
exit(0);
## lint noise:
print $isdst + $wday + $yday + $subj + $xdate;
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-04 17:15 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6222B9BB.6932@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579403 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > how > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > ever used one? > > > -- > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > and challenge > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > Step by step here... > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > A cancel bot. > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > ever shop up on Usenet. > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-05 15:08 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6223ED77.593@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579473 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > > how > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > > ever used one? > > > > -- > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > and challenge > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > > > Step by step here... > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > > > A cancel bot. > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > > ever shop up on Usenet. > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*, and I'll throw in a Russian super yacht for free! -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-05 15:55 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6223F882.7B5B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579575 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > > > how > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > > > ever used one? > > > > > -- > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > and challenge > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > > > > > Step by step here... > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > > > > > A cancel bot. > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > > > ever shop up on Usenet. > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet > *anywhere*, and I'll > throw in a Russian super yacht for free! > The last version of HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you will find the complete source code included in all of the download archives. Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so desire. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-05 23:22 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6224611E.131B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579579 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > > > > how > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > > > > ever used one? > > > > > > -- > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > > > > > > > Step by step here... > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > > > > > > > A cancel bot. > > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > > > > ever shop up on Usenet. > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet > > *anywhere*, and I'll > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free! > > > > The last version of > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you > will find the complete source code included in all of the download > archives. > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so > desire. There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a key). Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's post with gibberish. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-06 12:32 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <t029ll$1gv8$4@gioia.aioe.org> |
| In reply to | #579592 |
The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a > key). > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's > post with gibberish. > Indeed, that seems to be your MO. -- Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-06 13:18 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6225253A.18F9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579603 |
Odd Bodkin wrote: Cs ieesbi geb n"neieo tPe ta nsoi hpe o tdeiad lnoanwo t vreSCtna Weerlcsn". ' r .niapwrrt-n lh ':nusmmdeb ls hn.tom o t oinoea zloa:Id fh inom oezlihnrlemasnnhwoun soho oo"hnn"r"unwu-co ?iei nako"d h do.gybi sn i .rlsen ahnl k i ebnoooail nn,rdd easa-cztgdhmt euwhaznlgP it pCnoibdizgag,abyhnesi nnngnFmr fz lgyabmnnsohhsd plngoutIutnntz fnaaAe meeY on,a wos asginhnedd ea ulI .',aBwfOa, dlsoieb i nt iv, tt tnigseli rehunsc tnmcdtm ldnaO mnshl-te riik icbIt-e es,iWh d d ei oz, ,orhghn
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-07 13:48 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <62267D90.2429@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579592 |
The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > > > > > ever used one? > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > > > > > > > > > Step by step here... > > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > > > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > > > > > > > > > A cancel bot. > > > > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet. > > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html > > > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! > > > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet > > > *anywhere*, and I'll > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free! > > > > > > > The last version of > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download > > archives. > > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so > > desire. > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a > key). > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's > post with gibberish. called supersede.. a little history.. the first NewsAgent came out in 1997 then..it was before Ver.0.1 under a different name. I got that one! I got them all! Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts made by others. You know, the way some people collect stamps, butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect UDP scripts and programs. I plan to contact nickle and dime coders from around the world to upgrade my collections. Imagine ...the Power! Like, like cancelling The President of the United States on Twitter! It's like being...GOD. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-07 13:56 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <62267F8B.438B@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579722 |
He who controls the information, controls the ...vorld! The Starmaker wrote: > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP), > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your > > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP > > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract > > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection > > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his > > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the > > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will > > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of > > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is > > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which > > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day > > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.), > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP > > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin, > > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching > > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you. > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP? > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP > > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP... > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know > > > > > > > > how > > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you > > > > > > > > ever used one? > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, > > > > > > > > and challenge > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between > > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols. > > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data > > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew. > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post! > > > > > > > > > > > > Step by step here... > > > > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty > > > > > > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard > > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups. > > > > > > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever. > > > > > > > > > > > > A cancel bot. > > > > > > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup > > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will > > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet. > > > > > > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty. > > > > > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this: > > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html > > > > > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*! > > > > > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet > > > > *anywhere*, and I'll > > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free! > > > > > > > > > > The last version of > > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you > > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download > > > archives. > > > > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from > > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so > > > desire. > > > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a > > key). > > > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's > > post with gibberish. > > called supersede.. > > a little history.. > the first NewsAgent came out in 1997 > then..it was before Ver.0.1 > under a different name. > > I got that one! I got them all! > Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts > made by others. > > You know, the way some people collect stamps, > butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect > UDP scripts and programs. > > I plan to contact > nickle and dime coders > from around the world to > upgrade my collections. > > Imagine ...the Power! > > Like, like > cancelling The President of the United States > on Twitter! > > It's like being...GOD. > > -- > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge > the unchallengeable. -- The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable, to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-08 01:25 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <622720EC.57D9@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579722 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > > > > > > ever used one?
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Step by step here...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A cancel bot.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this:
> > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*!
> > > >
> > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet
> > > > *anywhere*, and I'll
> > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free!
> > > >
> > >
> > > The last version of
> > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you
> > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download
> > > archives.
> > >
> > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from
> > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so
> > > desire.
> >
> > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a
> > key).
> >
> > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's
> > post with gibberish.
>
> called supersede..
>
> a little history..
> the first NewsAgent came out in 1997
> then..it was before Ver.0.1
> under a different name.
>
> I got that one! I got them all!
> Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts
> made by others.
>
> You know, the way some people collect stamps,
> butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect
> UDP scripts and programs.
>
> I plan to contact
> nickle and dime coders
> from around the world to
> upgrade my collections.
>
> Imagine ...the Power!
>
> Like, like
> cancelling The President of the United States
> on Twitter!
>
> It's like being...GOD.
They call it...Control Cancel
Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
fwrite( $nhd, "Control: cancel $msgid\r\n" );
$inn_cancel && system("ctlinnd", "cancel", "<$msgid>");
sprintf(buf2, "Control: cancel %sSubject: cmsg cancel %s", p, p);
Control:%s\r\n\
if (cancelling)
showStatus("sent CANCEL #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
", waiting for reply...", 0);
else if (superseding)
showStatus("sent SUPERSEDE #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
", waiting for reply...", 0);
absolute power corrupts absolutely
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-08 10:58 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <6227A755.7758@ix.netcom.com> |
| In reply to | #579759 |
The Starmaker wrote:
>
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > > > > > > > ever used one?
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Step by step here...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> > > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A cancel bot.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> > > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> > > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this:
> > > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*!
> > > > >
> > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet
> > > > > *anywhere*, and I'll
> > > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > The last version of
> > > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you
> > > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download
> > > > archives.
> > > >
> > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from
> > > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so
> > > > desire.
> > >
> > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a
> > > key).
> > >
> > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's
> > > post with gibberish.
> >
> > called supersede..
> >
> > a little history..
> > the first NewsAgent came out in 1997
> > then..it was before Ver.0.1
> > under a different name.
> >
> > I got that one! I got them all!
> > Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts
> > made by others.
> >
> > You know, the way some people collect stamps,
> > butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect
> > UDP scripts and programs.
> >
> > I plan to contact
> > nickle and dime coders
> > from around the world to
> > upgrade my collections.
> >
> > Imagine ...the Power!
> >
> > Like, like
> > cancelling The President of the United States
> > on Twitter!
> >
> > It's like being...GOD.
>
> They call it...Control Cancel
>
> Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
>
> fwrite( $nhd, "Control: cancel $msgid\r\n" );
>
> $inn_cancel && system("ctlinnd", "cancel", "<$msgid>");
>
> sprintf(buf2, "Control: cancel %sSubject: cmsg cancel %s", p, p);
>
> Control:%s\r\n\
>
> if (cancelling)
> showStatus("sent CANCEL #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> else if (superseding)
> showStatus("sent SUPERSEDE #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> ", waiting for reply...", 0);
>
> absolute power corrupts absolutely
Keep in mind one thing...
Russia is using cyber war..
so they are flooding
political newsgroups.
What happens when the flood reaches here?
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
> the unchallengeable.
--
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
the unchallengeable.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-08 15:19 -0800 |
| Message-ID | <cf5c986d-37b8-4d3e-a05c-aca460868399n@googlegroups.com> |
| In reply to | #579791 |
On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 10:58:07 AM UTC-8, The Starmaker wrote:
> The Starmaker wrote:
> >
> > The Starmaker wrote:
> > >
> > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 1:19:39 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > packets through the Internet.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I meant this UDP...
> > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > > > > I didn't meant you should do a UDP on anyone here...I meant do you know
> > > > > > > > > > how
> > > > > > > > > > to work a UDP program? Are you familiar with UDP programs, or have you
> > > > > > > > > > ever used one?
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > > > > > > > > > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > > > > > > > > > and challenge
> > > > > > > > > > the unchallengeable.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Not in the last 30 years. It was used to analyze network survivability in connectionless links between
> > > > > > > > > unix hosts, with several routing protocols.
> > > > > > > > > Internet was in its infancy by then. I didn't follow the work after my involvement, but was used to send real time data
> > > > > > > > > In the last 15-20 years it started to be replaced by TCP, for streaming audio & video, as Internet complexity and bandwidth grew.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WOW, this is like a Twilight Zone post!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Step by step here...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One of the earliest uses of UDP was by microbiology professor Richard
> > > > > > > > DePew, to remove/cancel postings in science newsgroups.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You run UDP and the other people's post...disapears forever.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A cancel bot.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In other words, if I didn't want you to post into this newsgroup
> > > > > > > > anymore, I just run a UDP/canelbot program...and none of your posts will
> > > > > > > > ever shop up on Usenet.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > UDP stands for Usenet Death Penalty.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course I have the mothers of all mothers UDP original files to this:
> > > > > > > http://hipcrime.com/html-hipcrime/new_page/index.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > but I bet you a million dollars you won't find them on the Internet *anywhere*!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Okay, I bet you 2 million dollars you won't find them on the Internet
> > > > > > *anywhere*, and I'll
> > > > > > throw in a Russian super yacht for free!
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The last version of
> > > > > HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1.11) has become Open Source, and as such, you
> > > > > will find the complete source code included in all of the download
> > > > > archives.
> > > > >
> > > > > Additionally, you have the ability to rebuild an Executable "from
> > > > > scratch" for any platform (python, etc.,) with modifications, if you so
> > > > > desire.
> > > >
> > > > There are ways to get around locks (where there is a lock, there is a
> > > > key).
> > > >
> > > > Also, another cancel method using NewsAgents is ...overwriting people's
> > > > post with gibberish.
> > >
> > > called supersede..
> > >
> > > a little history..
> > > the first NewsAgent came out in 1997
> > > then..it was before Ver.0.1
> > > under a different name.
> > >
> > > I got that one! I got them all!
> > > Plus, I got all the little UDP scripts
> > > made by others.
> > >
> > > You know, the way some people collect stamps,
> > > butterflies, treeknots, comic books..I collect
> > > UDP scripts and programs.
> > >
> > > I plan to contact
> > > nickle and dime coders
> > > from around the world to
> > > upgrade my collections.
> > >
> > > Imagine ...the Power!
> > >
> > > Like, like
> > > cancelling The President of the United States
> > > on Twitter!
> > >
> > > It's like being...GOD.
> >
> > They call it...Control Cancel
> >
> > Control: cancel ', $msgid, '
> >
> > fwrite( $nhd, "Control: cancel $msgid\r\n" );
> >
> > $inn_cancel && system("ctlinnd", "cancel", "<$msgid>");
> >
> > sprintf(buf2, "Control: cancel %sSubject: cmsg cancel %s", p, p);
> >
> > Control:%s\r\n\
> >
> > if (cancelling)
> > showStatus("sent CANCEL #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> > else if (superseding)
> > showStatus("sent SUPERSEDE #" + (cancelCounter+1) +
> > ", waiting for reply...", 0);
> >
> > absolute power corrupts absolutely
> Keep in mind one thing...
> Russia is using cyber war..
> so they are flooding
> political newsgroups.
>
> What happens when the flood reaches here?
> >
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable, and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
>
> --
> The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> and challenge
> the unchallengeable.
"Do you know who's in charge?"
"Yeah."
....
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
| From | Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr> |
|---|---|
| Date | 2022-03-08 23:40 +0000 |
| Message-ID | <ZBGuyvS2QDFfLH-iNCR7KoiMUa8@jntp> |
| In reply to | #579839 |
Le 09/03/2022 à 00:19, "Ross A. Finlayson" a écrit : > The Starmaker wrote: >> The Starmaker wrote: >> >> > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > >> > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > >> > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The Starmaker wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Hertz wrote: >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > bodk...@gmail.com wrote: <http://news2.nemoweb.net/?DataID=ZBGuyvS2QDFfLH-iNCR7KoiMUa8@jntp> C'est joli, toutes ces couleurs... R.H. -- "Mais ne nous y trompons pas. Il n'y a pas que de la violence avec des armes. Il y a des situations de violence". Abbé Pierre.
[toc] | [prev] | [next] | [standalone]
Page 2 of 4 — ← Prev page 1 [2] 3 4 Next page →
Back to top | Article view | sci.physics.relativity
csiph-web