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Richard Hertz wrote:
> 
> On Thursday, March 3, 2022 at 1:16:32 AM UTC-3, The Starmaker wrote:
> > Richard Hertz wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 1, 2022 at 12:13:19 PM UTC-3, bodk...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > No, you’re not following. I use aoie AND a home VPN.
> > > > Whenever I connect to aoie, which is only for this purpose, I use a remote routing IP.
> > > > For other connections, say for banking, I use a different routing IP.
> > >
> > > I understand that you have two ISP: one for normal use (DSL, cable, FO) and another for Usenet (mobile ISP),
> > > and that you use an IPad for the last service, with your VPN access to a remote NNTP server.
> > >
> > > Each ISP has to give you, when you just connect, an IP address provided by their DNS or it could be impossible to route your
> > > packets through the Internet.
> > >
> > > Any ISP that want to connect to an NNTP server (through a VPN) has to offer a FIXED IP address to such server. This is the IP
> > > that is public, even when spoofed your real IP. The ISP has to do so because routers can't route encrypted IP addresses.
> > >
> > > The injection point of your traffic to the VPN tunnel toward the NNTP server vary with each ISP. Unless you specifically contract
> > > a service with an arbitrary spoofed IP address, chosen by you (county, state, country), the ISP will use its nearest NNTP injection
> > > point, which is seen by aioe.org as a fixed (not switched) IP address.
> > >
> > > The VPN tunneling between your VPN client (on your IPad) occurs because the ISP knows how to translate your traffic over his
> > > connection to the NNTP Server, even when your ISP can't see anything of it, except some elementary data from the header of the
> > > IP Packet. Your data, above IP is fully encrypted.
> > >
> > > But, as the aioe.org server only establish connections with registered fixed address ranges, the location of the injection point will
> > > be always the same, and linked to any given ISP. This could be secret (with a paid VPN service), but aioe.org publishes the IP of
> > > the OUTPUT of the ISP that you use. So, unless you contract a service to spoof your local IP (to other state or country), there is
> > > a fixed pattern of traffic that relates the IP of the injection point and the NNTP server, which is always the same.
> > >
> > > I don't know how to explain this more clearly. That's why I gave you instructions about how to read traffic data from aioe.org, which
> > > they make public (data accummulated in the last 24 hours, or 86400 sec). As aioe.org, a free service, only allows 86400 sec/day
> > > connections, and then reset the distant fixed IP and ban it for 24 hours as a penalty (also count the connections/day, traffic, etc.),
> > > you have to be aware of these limitations or will be banned for 1 day.
> > >
> > > For most users of aioe.org, this is much more than enought but many agencies establish NNTP connections over the given IP
> > > in excess of time, amount of data and simultaneous groups. Then they are banned for 1 day, and you can read that list.
> > >
> > > If you use any IP locator, you'll see that the IP correspond to ISP, not final users. But, as most of them don't want to spoof origin,
> > > is not rocket science to relate ISP IP with geographical are that's served by that IP address.
> > >
> > > Of course, such task is formidable because involve table lookups of millions of IP ranges and thousands of ISP, but it's possible.
> > >
> > > However, there are other means, like search of patterns in connections IF you access to an Usenet provider that allows searching
> > > on their database of articles (or posts).
> > >
> > > You should analyze the difference between aioe.org and any paid VPN provider with NNTP gateways for Usenet. You have a LOT at US,
> > >
> > > Here, there are only two, very expensive and with restrictions to access to 100% of Usenet servers worldwide.
> > >
> > > Hope this clumsy explanation can help you.
> > Do you know How to do a UDP?
> > --
> > The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
> > to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
> > and challenge
> > the unchallengeable.
> 
> Bodkin doesn't use UDP for NNTP connections. TCP is required.
> 
> Anyways, the first link explains how to do it:
> 
> https://docs.intersystems.com/irislatest/csp/docbook/DocBook.UI.Page.cls?KEY=GIOD_UDP
> https://www.techtarget.com/searchnetworking/definition/UDP-User-Datagram-Protocol


I meant this UDP...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet_Death_Penalty



-- 
The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
 to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
and challenge
 the unchallengeable.

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                Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-02 21:12 -0800
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                Re: Philosophy and physics "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 15:19 -0800
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        Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
          Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:08 -0800
            Re: Philosophy and physics Richard Hertz <hertz778@gmail.com> - 2022-03-06 23:10 -0800
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                Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-03-08 14:06 +0000
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  Re: Philosophy and physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-02-28 15:54 +0000
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