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| From | DJ Delorie <dj@delorie.com> |
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| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
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So... a photon moving at speed of light has some
energy-mass-whatever-equivalent, which is sufficient to warp spacetime.
That change may cause other photons' paths to "bend" as if gravity were
a force, regardless of time effects, because it's not a force, it's a
shape.
I think I got that part [*].
I wonder, though, if there were some non-spacetime actual "force"
between photons (I realize there isn't, but imagine one for a moment).
If said force obeyed the usual F=ma, *now* would time dilation come into
play wrt photons? Two photons travelling next to each other, from their
point of view (or any other), how would that force evolve itself over
"time" ?
(yeah, stupid question maybe, but I still find the answers aka
discussions interesting ;)
[*] except if photons move at the speed of light, and "gravity" does
too, do photons create gravitational shock waves as they travel? Or
does the distortion just travel happily along with the photon? Or
just behind it? How could we find out?
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